ottogrozav

nu exista dyna fat boy. exista dyna fat bob si softail fat boy.

sa va arat si eu un indian folosit in cel de-al doilea razboi mondial. l-am fotografiat in palm springs la air museum.

Fain capac pentru aspirator!

foarte frumos.

hai sa va arat noul meu filtru de aer.

singurul valabil mi se pare fatbob-ul, rocker-ul este diferit fata de ce a scos h.d-ul pana acum chit ca mie nu imi place dar ma bucur ca incep si ei sa gandeasca ''out of the box'' ca sa zic asa. imi pare rau ca nu se mai face in schimb 883R, aviz celora care au asa ceva, aveti acum motor de colectie!

cum nu se mai face 883? uita-te aici

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content...mp;locale=de_DE

cred ca in USA nu se mai vinde dar in Europa da.

Nu ai caiet de service? Acolo sunt trecute intervalele. Motoarele dupa 2004 au reviziile la 5000 mile si cele pana in 2004 la 2005 mile, a mai scris cineva. Costul unei revizii in US era cam de 400 USD, cu detailing inclus, schimbul de ulei facut, curatata si polishata, manopera undeva la USD 90-100/ora daca imi aduc bine aminte.

 

Daca m-a impresionat vreodata ceva la Harley a fost service-ul - farmacie curata si vreo 25-30 de rampe de lucru fara sa exagerez, adevarat e ca e cel mai mare dealer HD din lume, Ormond Beach/Daytona.

la sportster model 2007 reviziile se fac in felul urmator: prima la 1000 mile si urmatoarele la fiecare 5000 mile (8 000 km).

Nu ai caiet de service? Acolo sunt trecute intervalele. Motoarele dupa 2004 au reviziile la 5000 mile si cele pana in 2004 la 2005 mile, a mai scris cineva. Costul unei revizii in US era cam de 400 USD, cu detailing inclus, schimbul de ulei facut, curatata si polishata, manopera undeva la USD 90-100/ora daca imi aduc bine aminte.

 

Daca m-a impresionat vreodata ceva la Harley a fost service-ul - farmacie curata si vreo 25-30 de rampe de lucru fara sa exagerez, adevarat e ca e cel mai mare dealer HD din lume, Ormond Beach/Daytona.

O sa ma uit diseara in cartea de service si iti spun care e intervalul.

eu stiu ca prima revizie se face la 1000 mile (1600km). dupa ce o s-o fac va anunt si la cate mile se face urmatoarea.

asa e. din ce am vazut la standul de la SIAB pretul motocicletelor e acceptabil.

sunt curios daca vor oferi la drive test modelele disponibile, asa cum zicea cineva aici, ca s-a promis.

in afara de asta, foarte important e, dupa parerea mea, personalul care o sa lucreze la HD Bucuresti.

au un om care sigur stie cu ce se mananca chestia asta: Marcel Chiva.

din pacate mai au unu, Tiberiu Troia, care nu cred ca trebuia sa lucreze aici. acest domn Troia, pana sa lucreze aici, vindea Yamaha dar in acelasi timp era un om de legatura in ceea ce priveste HD in Romania, pt ca intentia de a deschide o reprezentanta in Romania stiti ca e mai veche.

cand am vrut sa imi iau sportsterul l-am sunat si pe el si mi-a spus ca ce vreau eu sa cumpar este o mobra si ca o sa rada toti harley-istii de mine si ca ar fi bine sa ma reorientez catre o japoneza. la-m intrebat: o honda? nu, zice el, o yamaha fazer, e cea mai tare motocicleta.

am gasit pana la urma o alta modalitate de a-mi achizitiona un harley sportster 883R. ( o mobra amarata)

ulterior acestui episod, la salonul moto din primavara acestui an, vad standul HD. Intreb o fatuca de acolo cu cine pot sa vorbesc despre motoare si mi-a raspuns: cu domnul Troia.

l-am cunoscut si l-am intrebat: dvs. sunteti persona care atunci cand am vrut sa iau un sportster mi-a zis sa imi iau yamaha? si mi-a raspuns cu tupeu: da. si acum tot asta iti spun: ia-ti yamaha. i-am raspuns ca deja mi-am luat sportster. a , daaa, atunci o sa vezi tu ce patesti cu garantia.

va marturisesc ca m-a cam lasat masca. un om care lucreaza pentru harley, care trebuie sa traiasca in spiritul harley, sa respire si sa viseze numai harley imi spune mie sa-mi iau yamaha, iar daca mi-am luat deja harley nu imi asigura el mie garantia?

dupa cate stiu eu garantia e oricum internationala si pot sa imi fac reviziile la orice service autorizat.

ce sa mai spun, cu oameni de genul asta cred ca HD isi da singur suturi in dos.

sunt curios daca domnul Troia mai vinde in paralel si Yamaha in continuare si mai trimite oameni la firma lui.

sper totusi ca marcel sa le inoculeze microbul harley si celorlalti angajati de acolo.

indiferent de comparatii si de rezultatele lor pe mine deocamdata nu ma intereseaza decat harley si atat.

--- Mesaj completat în 18 Oct 2007 12:34 -------------
sa va arat cateva poze cu un harley pozat de un prieten in Roma.

referitor la preturile de la HD: din ce mi-au spus baietii de la stand si din ce am vazut din oferta scrisa a dealer-ului, am inteles ca pretul e mai mare cu vreo 200 euro fata de cel practicat in Germania. eu zic ca e rezonabil mai ales ca ai si prima revizie inclusa in pret. in plus, ca peste tot in Europa primesti un card de membru HOG International gratuit pentru primul an.

daca se pastreaza aceasta poltica de preturi eu zic ca e ok.

ca o comparatie, in Barcelona, modelul pe care il am eu, sportster 883R era cu 1200 euro mai scump decat in Germania.

Iata si un articol scris de (important) un jurnalist american in care compara Shadow Spirit de la Honda si Sportsterul 883:

 

Even two's a crowd.

Torrance, California, August 26, 2002 --

 

Stonehenge. Do you know why the ancients built them? I don't. In fact, nobody really knows for sure why it was built. That's what a lot of people say about these cruisers. "Why'd you get a little Shadow? Didn't you know about the VTX?" You know, that sort of thing. But in all fairness, anything with two wheels is fun, isn't it? I mean, we had a blast riding scooters, that's for sure. And even anti-cruiser John slowly started warming up to the long-and-low set after riding both the Volusia and the Vulcan.

So what's up with these un-popular, off-the-wall tests?

 

Well, in the name of education, we'll do anything, even test these two old-timers. Let's be honest, at one point in time the Sportster was probably the best bike out there, period. Its history dates back as early as 1952 as the Model K "Sport," but for the most part, the Sportster that we know today didn't show up at dealers until 1986 with the spooning-in of an Evolution motor. Granted, in the modern age of Sportsters (post-1986), nobody in their right mind really thinks of Sportsters as being modern, high-performance transports. But they were always considered easy to ride, easy to learn on and most importantly, economical.

 

The Honda is no different, really, albeit its heritage is a bit leaner. First built in 2001, the Shadow Spirit 750 seemed to be aimed right at the heart of the lightweight cruiser niche. It's an important market, because the lightweights emphasize bang-for-buck over brute emotion to make the sale. For Harley-Davidson, the use of their 883 Sportster line to introduce riders to the brand is no secret. They'll lure them in with great price and economy, then dazzle them with aftermarket parts, or better yet, upgrade them into a Big Twin.

 

However, what if the customer just wants a bike? You know, something with two wheels that gets great mileage, decent performance and won't break the bank? Oh yea, its gotta look cool too.

 

For the most part, these two cruisers work great. Here we have two similar machines that are seemingly worlds apart. They both share certain design elements, namely, that they're cruisers and they're both V-twins. The Honda sports a somewhat modern, liquid-cooled, three-valve, dual-plug, V-twin motor. While the H-D's engine is the familiar air-cooled unit. However, in our top-o-the line, R spec 883 Sportster, it gets a much cooler black powder coating job versus the somewhat gaudy chrome laden air-pump on the Spirit.

The Honda has a great paint job.

"Stepping away from our two twins, you'll notice that the Honda has an uncharacteristically pretty paint job with dark red flames on a lighter red background."

 

The thing that really got to us was that it really did look good.

The two "iron-horses" cooling off by a foodery. We can't help but wonder what would've happened if foodery was actually a real word.

However, the intense amount of chrome that was found on the Honda left a lot of onlookers covering their eyes. The Harley, being a Harley after all, always seemed to steal the show. We think it might have to do with its bright orange flat-track inspired coverings, combined with its flat-black engine and steering gear, the 883R really turned heads. Riding the machines left little to the imagination. These little cruisers aren't gonna win any real-world performance or comfort contests. But in their defense, they compare well to other cruisers. Just looking at the weight and seat-height values for these machines will leave many "strength" or "vertically-challenged" riders breathing a sigh of relief. For example, the Shadow Spirit weighs a manufacturer's listed 496 pounds dry with a 26.6 inch seat height. Whereas the 883 R sports (no pun intended) a manufacturer's listed 503 pounds dry with a 28-inch seat height.

 

"The Sportster, true to its name, proved sportier than the Spirit did."

With such friendly seat-heights, you'd think more thought would've been placed into the ergonomics of each machine. However, after 45 minutes of freeway riding, we wanted to take a large planer -- or at the very least a moderate sized belt-sander -- to the Los Angeles freeway system. The Spirit Shadow 750 had softish springs both front and back and damping rates that could use some stiffening. While appropriate for a light-weight rider (say, below 175 pounds) on slower city roads, once highway speeds get thrown into the mix, all bets were off; the damping just couldn't keep up.

 

The Sportster, true to its name, proved sportier than the Spirit did, although it too was plagued with soft fork and springs. Its damping was just a bit better. Sort of like comparing apples to, well, bigger apples. Unfortunately, a problem that beset both vehicles was the dreaded lower-back pain that seem to be problem-most-foul. The consensus seemed to indicate that the slouched seating position bent the spine in such a manner as to best allow shocks to go straight through the spinal column and into the brain.

 

While the rider of either machine enjoyed what, during the Spanish Inquisition, could be conceived as comfort for periods longer than 45-minutes, passengers, well... let's just say people of the sadomasochistic persuasion will feel right at home. We shouldn't really have to say it but the Sportster's rear seat sucked. Just look at the thing, does it look comfortable to you? As soon as a passenger would sit on that crude lump, they would immediately slide back and hit the license plate frame. I mean really, did some committee really sit down and decide that this would be the best way to transport a passenger? As a better option, the stock 883 does away with the passenger seat altogether.

As far as the Spirit goes, it too would probably have benefited from a rear seat removal, but our rear-seat passenger did find it tolerable for 15-minute sessions. Not too shabby, unless you wanna go somewhere, say, greater than 15-minutes away. However, the Sportster clearly edged out the Honda in the ergoes category thanks to its more "standard" footpeg location thus allowing the rider to better shift his weight. The Honda possessed feet-forward controls more suited for boulevard cruising. Also the hand position afforded by the matte black bars on the 883R promoted a more natural riding position while the Spirit's flatter, chrome bars felt somewhat disconnected.

 

In contrast to the lackluster freeway comfort levels, cruising the mountain roads north of Los Angeles proved to be an enjoyable endeavor. Smooth power delivery and crisp shifts from the Honda helped us forget about our aching backs, as we'd give it a fistful of power exiting the many corners we met. The same disconnected feeling from the front-end continued to permeate through the lefts and rights but at least the Spirit tracked well enough to generate footpeg-grinding confidence.

 

The Harley, however, seemed to come alive in the twisties. This is all relative of course. But the 883R had that elusive character that the Honda didn't possess. We can conjecture that with enough miles the Spirit would have it too, but for the most part, it left a mild impression. Sort of like eating a tuna fish sandwich versus 24 ounces of juicy prime rib.

The Sportster proved to be all that its name promised and more. We'd prefer stiffer suspension though.

Surprisingly enough, the more modern Spirit 750 proved to be the lesser of the two machines in the power department. Maybe it's the fact that the air-cooled, two-valve designed Sportster has a 133cc-displacement advantage. Who knows? Either way, even though the Sportster seemed to have less power, it was decidedly more fun in the curvy roads. With a fatter range of torque and a healthy throaty sound, the Harley was certainly the more favored sporting mount.

 

As for braking and handling, well, let's just put it this way; look elsewhere. The twin front disks on the Harley were better than the Honda's single binder. But the mushy (even after JohnnyB bled them) binders on the Sportster didn't convey the feel that the Spirit's brakes did.

 

"Where the Harley wins out though, is in ground clearance. Granted, it's easy to grind peg on either machine, but it was much more difficult to do so on the Harley."

 

To add insult to injury, the Harley felt as if it had the softest suspension bits during braking and cornering. Don't for a second take that statement to mean the Honda was well sprung, it too had serious damping issues. With a passenger on board we would bottom the rear shock, and yes, we were still under the max load limit.

Even with these extreme shortcomings, these machines are still good to ride. You just have to have a different mindset in order to do so. Ditch the "hurry-up" attitude, and make sure the roads don't have any harsh expansion joints and you'll be set. There's nothing better than a quiet putt-putt through a shady lane borough and nothing brings that out the best than these two iron-horses.

 

If it were our money, it would be the Harley. Not only is it cheap enough for regular people, the aftermarket allows super upgradeability. And plus, its a Harley, so there's always that added resale value. Heck, even on the Honda we could add some cheap-ass glass-pack, slash cut slip-ons and combined with the slick paint job, people wouldn't know what the hell just whizzed by them.

 

Differences between Sportster XLH and Sportster R XL:

 

Engine color (XLH is alloy color, XL is powder coated black)

Exhaust (XLH is "staggered shorty duals", XL is "curved 2-into-1")

Brakes (XLH has single front disk, XL has dual)

Seat (XLH has single seat, XL has poor excuse for passenger accommodations)

Paint (XLH comes in five different colors, XL only has cool racing orange paint scheme)

Weight (XLH 489 lbs, XL, 503 lbs, both listed weight)

Price (XLH $5,975-$6,145 depending on paint color, XL $6,795)

 

 

__ H-D Sportster 883 R Honda Shadow Spirit 750

Engine 883cc air-cooled, 4-valve, 45° OHV v-twin 745cc liquid-cooled, 6-valve, 52° SOHC v-twin

Bore x Stroke (mm) 76.2x96.8 79.0x76.0

Compression Ratio 9.0:1 9.0:1

Ignition CDI

Fuel Delivery Carbureted 2x 34mm Diaphragm-type CV Carbs

Transmission 5-spd

Final Drive Belt Chain

Service Interval 1,000 miles for first time, then every 5,000 miles N/A

Suspension, Front 39mm, N/A 41mm, 5.1"

Suspension, Rear Dual Shock, N/A (P-ramp) Dual shock, 3.2" (P-ramp)

Brakes, Front 2x 292mm, 2 piston 1x 296mm, 2 piston

Brakes, Rear 292mm, 2 piston Drum

Tires, Front 100/90-19 110/80-19

Tires, Rear 130/90-16 160/80-15

Wheelbase 60.0"/1523mm 64.8"/1645mm

Rake-Trail 29.6°-4.6"/116.7mm N/A

Seat Height 28.0"/711mm 26.6"/907mm

Fuel Capacity 3.3gal/15L 3.6gal/16L

Fuel Mileage 43mpg N/A

Listed Weight (dry) 503lbs/228kg 496lbs/225kg

Available Colors Racing Orange Black*, Candy Dark Red Flame, Pearl Purple Frame

Suggested Price $6,695 $6,199*

(P,C,R) denotes adjustable Preload, Compression damping and Rebound dampening.

threaded and ramp denotes method of rear shock preload adjustment. Threaded collar, or ramped collar.

 

 

Second Opinion:

 

El Flaco's take on the Cruiser Comparo- Harley 883R vs. Honda Shadow 750

El_Flaco stares off into space as he thinks about being the low man on the totem pole.

The Honda is smooooth and, if I really use my imagination, it kind of sounds like a RC-51 at idle. It has that classic cruiser leaned-back posture that kills even my young and resilient back after motoring 2 miles down a bumpy stretch of South Bay arterial road. The engine feels strong and responsive, but nothing inspiring. There's nothing wrong with the bike, but I wish that there was so I could think of something distinguishing or characteristic about this bike!

 

I didn't use to hold any animosity in my warm and fuzzy heart towards Harleys until I had a spate of bad luck with them. But, even after a rocky start in my relationship with this 883R (something about an incident involving running out of gas on the 110 after picking it up from the Harley distribution center) I began to like it for what it is. It vibrates like it's about to blow itself into nanoscopic pieces every time it accelerates, but I have to admit that it's kinda cool.

 

Taking these cruisers up into the Angeles National Forest really gave me a chance to bond with them. Riding, or attempting to ride, the Shadow at a semi-sporting pace was not a rewarding experience. And even from a cruising perspective it wasn't spectacular either. It feels so bland that it is difficult to have any sort of remarkable experiences or impressions on it. But I'm sure it's dead reliable and it would provide thousands of years of trouble-free and completely boring years of ownership.

 

On the other hand, when I was blasting the Harley up a canyon road I could pretend for a brief moment that I was Steve McQueen riding in California 35 years ago, for no other real reason than the 883R feels like a bike of that vintage. And Steve McQueen's the King of Cool in my book, and I felt pretty cool on this bike. I was actually impressed with the level of handling that it displayed around the twists and turns, and the dual front disc brakes were a lot better after JohnnyB bled them a bit- the lever no longer traveled all the way back to the grip under heavy braking.

 

The true test would come when it came time for me to choose which one I would take home for the night; Mr. Harley won out. It feels good around town and freeway runs aren't too terrible. I was having delusions of grandeur about sneaking a few of the Buell racing parts down in the MO shop into its engine, but barring that, I would love to see how it would run and sound with some curvaceous pipes, a filter and a jet kit. I never thought I would hear myself say this but, "In my opinion, the Harley's the winner."

<small>--- Mesaj completat în 13 Oct 2007 19:52 -------------</small><br/>Imi pare rau dar tabelele comparative nu au aparut ca in articolul original....

interesant.

o sa ma gandesc la oferta ta cu comenzile avansate. deocamdata trebuie sa imi iau un hipercharger.

cateodata ma gandesc ca la cate modificari vreau sa ii fac , mai bine o dau si imi iau un softail.

sa va arat o poza cu noile mele tobe.

--- Mesaj completat în 12 Oct 2007 17:34 -------------
am comandat si un hipercharger si de abea astept sa il montez.

--- Mesaj completat în 12 Oct 2007 17:45 -------------
si pielea de pe rezervor.

Iti dau eu comenzi avansate faine la schimb pe cele originale daca te intereseaza. Daca vrei da-mi PM. Cat despre rezervorul mai lat...eu zic sa te mai gandesti. Sportster-ul este Sportster,desi cel al lui Sobo`imi place si cu rezervor lat (vezi topic Sportster,unde poti vedea si comenzile avansate de pe al meu)

o sa ma gandesc la oferta ta cu comenzile avansate. deocamdata trebuie sa imi iau un hipercharger.

cateodata ma gandesc ca la cate modificari vreau sa ii fac , mai bine o dau si imi iau un softail.

avem si noi un 883R in SB...cu kit de 1200cc.

ce inseamna kit de 1200cc? are motorul marit sau ce? nu te supara pe mine dar eu acum invat.

eu as vrea sa o mai cobor pe a mea, sa-i schib rezervorul cu unu mai mare, sa-i schimb ghidonul si sa-i pun comenzi avansate.

salutare!

nu am mai vorbit de mult cu voi. intre timp sa stiti ca mi-am schimbat tobele la sportster. mi-am pus niste tobe cobra si, conform sfaturilor avizate, mi-am pus si un power commander.

acum trebuie sa ii schimb filtrul de aer cu un hipercharger si deocamdata gata cu imbunatatirile pe anul asta.

aaa, era sa uit, i-am pus si un mic crash bar de la louis.

Scoate parbrizuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!

Iaca Shobolanutza mea mai nou...

foarte frumoasa! s-o stapanesti sanatos!

wild hogs. foarte tare.

va multumesc pentru sfaturi. de abia astept sa ma intalnesc cu voi sa stam de vorba live.

am si o intrebare.

care ar fi viteza de croaziera cu motocicleta ca a mea, respectiv sportsterul 883R?

intreb asta pentru ca eu am iesit azi putin pe autostrada si la 100 ma cam deranja vantul iar la 130 trebuia sa ma tin bine de motor. va aduc aminte ca eu sunt incepator si asta e prima mea motocicleta.

in concluzie, as vrea sa stiu de la voi care sunteti mai experimentati care e viteza voastra de croaziera cu motoare similare.

sa stiti ca imi place sportsterul asta.

sinfura chestie e ca nu face zgomot cum as vrea eu. are tobe stock. un timp, dupa un oarecare rodaj cred ca o sa le schimb.

Nu am vrut sa sune asa exagerat.Eu ti-am spus niste lucruri pe care le-am invatat despre motociclet asta mergand zi de zi cu ea.Daca vrei sa le retii bine daca nu o, sa le vezi si singur. Motocicleta asta se incalzeste foarte tare. Din cauza ca rezervorul este mai ingust decat motorul "o sa iei foc" pe ea daca o lasi prea mult sa mearga pe loc fara sa se raceasca. Plus ca motorul odata supraincalzit nu o sa mai traga cum trebuie. De fapt o sa vezi tu.Poate nici una nu se comporta la fel cu alta dar sunt niste chestii care le caracterizeaza pe toate.Supraincalzirea este una dintre aceste "probleme" ,care oricum devine insignifianta daca motocicleta este folosita cum trebuie.Sportster-ul tau este un super motor.Mult noroc si inca o data sa ai parte de ea!

multumesc mult.

Sportsterul este o motocicleta multivalenta.Conteaza cum mergi in trafic. Daca stai la coada la semafor pe 30 de grade nu o sa iti fie prieten prea bun. Sportster-ului ii place sa mearga. Orinde si oricum numai sa mearga. Este o motocicleta extraordinara. O sa o iubesti la nebunie. Pe mine m-a legat pe viata ( ma refer la modelul Sportster ca fan Harley am fost decand ma stiu). Numai sa-i faci pe plac. Are nevoie de grija,desi este construit ca un tanc. Cand ii dai gaz nu dezamageste niciodata.Asta este parerea mea.Nu stiu ce cred altii dar nici nu ma intereseaza. Harley este The motorcycle.Nu este doar o legenda.

 

P.S. Eu de cand o am nu a stat nici macar o zi. Si nici nu va avea timp de odihna prea curand. Mergi cu ea in fiecare zi macar la inceput. O sa ai nevoie de acomodare.

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dar ce inseamna ca nu o sa-mi fie prieten prea bun? daca merg cu el la inceput ca si cu o masina, adica sa stau la coada la semafoare, in trafic, o sa se caleze motorul?

Salut, eu am un Virago 535 care are tot racire cu aer si nu pot sa spun ca are probleme in oras, dar se incinge de-l ia mama naibii ca sa zic asa... de aceea prefer sa ies cu el numai cand am nevoie daca e aglomerat sau inafara orasului (cel mai bine). Numa bine

P.S. pe unde stai? poate dam o tura o data sa vad si eu cum se aude un Harley

salut!

eu stau in dr. taberei. si pana la urma cum e, pot sau nu sa=l folosesc fara griji in traficul asta?

salut!

mi-am achizitionat de curand un harley davidson sportster 883R si as vrea cateva pareri de la cineva care detine un model asemanator.

in primul rand as dori sa stiu daca se preteaza intr-adevar la mersul prin oras si cand spun oras ma refer la bucuresti in care, dupa cum stiti, traficul este infernal.

am citit in cartea ei ca nu e recomandat sa mearga mult in gol, la relanti si nici sa mergi incet cu ea, pentru ca motorul, fiind racit cu aer, nu are posibilitatea sa se raceasca.

in conditiile astea, stau si ma intreb daca pot sa merg cu ea la serviciu, zi de zi sau trebuie sa renunt la ideea asta in favoarea plimbarilor pe strazi mai putin aglomerate si eventual, in afara bucurestiului.

astept pareri, multumesc.