Problema la pornire

[Abdul]

am un cross kawasaki kx 125 de 2T , ceva arunca benzina prea multa . M-am uitat la carburator si plutitoru ii bun nu se blocheaza nu shtiu ce are . Il pornesc ma dau cu el 1-2 ore si dupa ce il las 30 minute nu mai porneste , ii dau 3-4 pedale la kick starter si dupa ce scot bujia ii uda . Ce are?

[stulewa]

e uda cu apa sau cu benzina???

verifica nivelul antigelului, foloseste bujia recomandata de producator, verifica simerindurile de la ambielaj, filtrul de aer sa fie curat si reglajul de la aer 1,5-2,5 ture

[SpEeD_DaEmOn]

Carburatoarele astea....nt nt nt........Verifica cum inchide cuiu pontou......Vezi plutitoru sa fie bine reglat....Daca tu zici ca te plimbi.....1 ora 2......si dupa aceea dai o carja 2......se uda bujia...???.......Hm......ciudat....!!!

[Abdul]

am desfacut si carburatoru si plutitoru ii bun . si mia mai spus cineva k pot sa reglez din carburator benzina si aeru dar nu shtiu de unde daca merge la 2T

Mesaj completat

e uda cu apa sau cu benzina???

verifica nivelul antigelului, foloseste bujia recomandata de producator, verifica simerindurile de la ambielaj, filtrul de aer sa fie curat si reglajul de la aer 1,5-2,5 ture

e uda cu bnzina . dar de ce ma dau 2 ore si dupaia nu mai porneste trebuie sa tot scot bujia sa o usuc si dupaia merge . Antigelu l-am schimbat acum 3 zile , bujia am schimbato acum 2 zile , m-am uitat si la filtru de aer si ii curatat nu stiu ce sa-i mai fac

[CDCriss]

am desfacut si carburatoru si plutitoru ii bun . si mia mai spus cineva k pot sa reglez din carburator benzina si aeru dar nu shtiu de unde daca merge la 2T

Mesaj completat

 

e uda cu bnzina . dar de ce ma dau 2 ore si dupaia nu mai porneste trebuie sa tot scot bujia sa o usuc si dupaia merge . Antigelu l-am schimbat acum 3 zile , bujia am schimbato acum 2 zile , m-am uitat si la filtru de aer si ii curatat nu stiu ce sa-i mai fac

 

intrebare: 1. ..dupa ce te dai 2ore si il lasi stand by ... ai scos bujia afara sa vezi starea ei ?, asta fara sa incerci sa dai la kickstarter, deci fara sa incerci sa o pornesti ..

2. ..in alea 2 ore cat te plimbi, presupun ca daca opresti motorul ...il pornesti fara probleme, atata timp cat este cald ?! problemele tale tind sa apara la pornirile ''la rece'' ?

 

...ar putea fi vorba si de o problema electrica (presupunand ca bujia nu este uda daca nu incerci sa o pornesti) daca se adevereste ..am ceva idei

Editat Octombrie 31, 2010 de CDCriss

[Abdul]

si daca ma dau cu el 2 ore si il opresc si vreau sa il pornesc dupaia merge dar se mai ineaca si asa . In mare parte la rece. Are ceva electric ori trebuie reglat carburatoru?

eu cand lam cumparat nu avea nimik mergea si m-am dat cu el l-am inoroit si cand am ajuns acasa l-am spalat si de atunci face asa si incepeam sa cred ca ii ceva electric dar nu shtiu ce....

Editat Octombrie 31, 2010 de Abdul

[Africanu]

Ptr ca sa mearga, ai nevoie de 2 lucruri, elementare. benzina si scanteie. Corect?

DACA bujia e uda, inseamna ca iti ajunge benzina in cilindru, DAR, nu ai scanteie.

Motive dece nu ai scanteie, ar fi cateva....

Bujie cu scurt circuit

Fisa bujie fisurata

Cablu intrerupt

Bobina de inductie care face fite la caldura

Daca ai posibiltatea, porneste motorul, baga-l intr-un loc intunecat, garaj de exemplu, si arunca un ochi, paote vezi scanteie in ALTE locuri decat cele unde ar trebuii sa fie.

 

Africanu

[Abdul]

ok ms mult

[stulewa]

filtru nu trebuie sa para curat, trebuie sa il cureti la fiecare iesire.... hai doua iesiri, carburatorul are doua surubele: cel de relantiu mecanic(care iti modifica pozitia shuberului ) si cel de aer(dozeaza volumul de aer pe circuitul de relanti) acesta din urma de obicei se regleaza la 1,5-2,5 ture.

prea multa benzina in cilindru poate fi din doua cauze: 1 ai un jigler principal prea mare sau 2. filtrul de aer e inbacsit si daca nu poate sa traga aer trage ce i-a mai ramas adica benzina

 

referitor la treaba cu ai benzina dar sigur n-ai scanteie de a zis-o cineva mai devreme era o zicala batraneasca: scanteieste, benzineste dar nu porneste domle...ce o fi? AERUL INTRETINE ARDEREA SI DACA NU E SUFICIENT NU POCNESTE NICI O TONA DE BENZINA

 

totusi pune si o bujie noua exact aia care o recomanda producatorul pt ca altfel risti sa topesti pistonul;)

depine tare mult si de stilul tau de mers, motoarele 2t au nevoie de ture mari ca sa arda tot uleiul din amestec, daca mergi mult cu ea balbait fara sa incingi motorul cum trebuie uleiul nears se va depune pe bujie si chiuloasa afectand functionarea corecta a sistemului de aprindere(bujie)

Editat Octombrie 31, 2010 de stulewa

[Africanu]

motoarele 2t au nevoie de ture mari ca sa arda tot uleiul din amestec, daca mergi mult cu ea balbait fara sa incingi motorul cum trebuie uleiul nears se va depune pe bujie si chiuloasa afectand functionarea corecta a sistemului de aprindere(bujie)

 

Oare....?????????

 

Amestecul benzina/ulei e de ex. 25:1 sau 50:1. NU SE POATE sa se schimbe aceasta relatie, deci, e INDIFERENT la ce fel de turatie se afla motorul. Singura cauza, in cazul spus de tine este, motorul nu e reglat cum trebuie.

Si in acel caz concret, de la care a inceput discutia, cum iti explici ca motorul functioneste catva timp, dupa care nu mai merge????? Desigur ca este nevoie si de aer, fara doar si poate, DAR nu lipsa lui e explicatia. Si te rog sa nu te simti atacat, nu este intentia mea.

 

Africanu

[ghost9x]

Am si eu o yamaha ttr 600 si cam aceeasi problema ca si tine

IN TIMP SCURT FUNCTIONEAZA FOARTE BINE, dar tot asa la un drum mai lung sau dupa vreo 2 ore de mers face figuri :

-ori se opreste din mers (da cateva rateuri inainte)

-ori nu mai porneste deloc la kick

In unele cazuri mai reusesc sa o pornesc impinsa; ma mai tarai un pic apoi iar se opreste si tot asa pana nu mai porneste deloc; iar daca vin a 2-a zi si o pornesc o ia de la prima pedala.

Am fost cu ea pe la vreo 3 mecanici pana acum. Toti mi-au umblat pe la carburator, bujie, pornire dar aceeasi problema, mai mult ma chinui sa o pornesc decat sa ma plimb

Daca este vreunu care are sau a avut acelasi tip de motocicleta cu aceleasi probleme il rog sa ma anunte

[SpEeD_DaEmOn]

Ati incercat sa va uitati la CDI???Poate nu este un contact perfect....Eu asa am patit cu un ATV!!!Tot asa pornea mergeam toate bune si frumoase.....si dupa ce il opream nu mai pornea.......VERIFICA....chiar daca da scanteie poate nu da cand trebuie.....Cam asta ar fi daca tu zici ca carburatorul functioneaza cum trebuie.....

[Manuel]

io cred ca e doar problema de jetare a carburatorului,ce i sa intimpla strainezii ii zic fouling plug. cauta pe goagle cum se regleaza/jeteaza un carb de 2 timpi si o faci singur...de obicei ,din fabrica, crosurile in 2T vin setate ca bogat de frica sa nu fie calate...acum depinde si de stilul de mers al fiecaruia..daca mergi mai in ture,pe circuit,mai mult cimp nu se strica bujia ...daca bagi prin padure,carari,etc,ture mici atunci se vede daca e setat bine mai ales PILOT jetu'.

 

asa mi-am jetat io Rm-u 250 dupe ce ce l-am luat ...

 

uite exemplu...doua:

Carb Jetting and Adjustment

 

I can't stress how important it is to use GENUINE MIKUNI or KEIHIN jets in your carb. Aftermarket jets just aren't manufactured to the same tolerances and can vary quite a bit from OEM specs. The Mikini or Keihin jets may cost a few cents more, but the phrase "You get what you pay for" really does have truth behind it. A couple extra bucks here is a great way to keep from destroying an engine.

 

You can find diagrams, part numbers and a lot of information on the majority of Mikuni and Keihin carbs on Sudco's web site.

 

The entire idea of a carburator is to meter fuel at a certain percentage to the amount of air drawn in by the engine at all rev ranges from idle to wide open.

 

Most carb have three major circuits (some have more, some have less) to cover the tuning range:

An Idle Circuit.

A Mid-range Circut

A Wide Open Circut

 

These circuts overlap each other just a bit, so the transition between them is smooth and unnoticed.

 

Things such as atmospheric pressure, humidity, altitude and temperature all have effects on the tuning of a carb. The more modified an engine is, often - but not always the case - the more sensitive it may be to jetting. You'll find out by tinkering with your individual setup.

 

One very valuable tool I've used for a long time is an Air Density Gauge. It lets you have a visual idea of just how much air is available for the given surroundings. An example would be when I race in Mexico, (sea level, usually 95+ degrees F) my gauge reads from 100 to 110%, but up in Snowflake (6,000 feet elevation, 75-80 degrees F) the gauge will read 65 - 70% I drop three main jet sizes. Eventually you'll be able to look at the gauge and interpret the jet size needed by the air density reading.

 

Start keeping a log of your tuning. WRITE IT DOWN in your manual, or a notebook or some place that you'll be able to go back and find. (I write my information on top of the carb caps with a permanent marker as well as in a note book)

 

Write down the following stuff:

Main Jet Size

What position the clip on the Needle is in (top groove is #1, bottom groove is #5)

Make note of the Air Screw setting too. To do this, screw in your Air Screw until is just quits moving while counting the number of turns it takes to close it. DO NOT TRY TO TIGHTEN IT, just turn it in until it stops and count the number of turns. Do this SLOWLY and pay attention. Keep track in 1/8 increments. Write this number of turns down too. Most of the time this is somewhere between 1-1/2 to 2-1/4 turns.

 

There's also a jet called a Pilot Jet. It helps with idle and just off idle tuning. You have to take the four phillips head screws out of the bottom of the carb and pull off the float bowl to find it. (To remove the float bowl, make sure you use a screwdriver that fits into the heads of the screws snugly - they call them butter bolts because they'll strip just like they were made of butter - pain in the ass). The Pilot Jet will have a number on it too. Anywhere from 20 to 60, depending on the carb and application.

 

It is very important that you write stuff down. It gives you a base line to always go back to if you need to.

 

Since a large part of the carb tuning involves the Main Jet, let's start with the basics and learn how to change a Main Jet. It's very easy to do.

 

You need a 17mm wrench and a 6mm socket wrench or a screw driver with bits that you can change. Even better is get a Jet Wrench Kit - Dennis Kirk sells a nice one that comes with a small case that will hold a number of jets. The wrench will fit all Mikuni and Keihin hex jets - which are the most popular.

 

Loosen the clamps that hold the carb in intake and air track boots. Rotate the carb so you can see the large nut on the bottom of the float bowl.*

 

Use the 17mm wrench to remove the nut (right tight, left loose) and under this nut, you'll see the Main Jet. Take the bit out of the screwdriver, slip the screw driver over the jet and unscrew it (counter clockwise). You now have the Main Jet out. Easy, huh? When you put it back in DO NOT overtighten it. Just snug it - no macho man crap, just snug. A jet's just a small brass piece with a hole through it, so it's very easy to twist the threads right of the body of the jet, which leads to a bad day in the shop (and is usually accompanied by a good amount of swearing).

 

Some Mikuni carbs (most of the TMX line) have a small brass washer that the Main Jet fits into. It often comes out with the Main Jet - MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT LOOSE THIS WASHER!!! It is extremely important and if you don't put it back in, the jetting will NEVER be correct. You'll chase your tail for hours and get nothing.

 

On the side or on the bottom of the Main Jet you'll find a very small number inscribed in it. This is the jet size. The larger the number, the larger the jet. The more fuel it will flow and the richer the carb will be.

 

Okay, let's get down to the tuning aspect of your carb. You'll want to do this each time you replace a part - especially if you put on a new performance part. (new air filter, air filter setup, pipe, etc.)

 

You should have a little section in the book now that says something like the following:

September 28, 2002

Main Jet - 150

Needle - #3 groove

Pilot Jet - #35

Air Screw - 1-3/4 out

Plug - BR8ES

 

Let's start with the Main Jet:

The Main Jet only works on the upper end of the throttle - approximately 3/4ths to wide open.

Make sure you have a new spark plug installed.

Take your ride out and get it warmed up.

Run it full throttle, get it going as fast as it will go for a block or two and then hit the kill switch, close the throttle, put it in neutral and roll to a stop.

 

Pull out the plug.

 

What does your spark plug look like after a wide open throttle (WFO) run?

What color is the electrode? (the part that has the little tit sticking out of it under the little bar)

Is it black? If so, then it's rich. Drop the Main Jet size ONE

Is it white? Then it's lean. Raise the Main Jet size ONE

It should be about the color of a pancake or waffle.

 

For now, change Main Jet sizes in ONE STEP increments. (one size is not 150 to 151, it will jump say to a 152 or 153 - same the other way - prolly a 147 or something near that)

GO BACK AND RECORD YOUR NEW MAIN JET NUMBER

 

Go do a plug chop again. What does it look like now? If it's still white, then you're still lean, if it's still black or dark, then it's still rich. Change the Main Jet accordingly and go do the plug chop again. Keep it up until you end up with a nice brown plug.

 

Generally speaking, you should be able to use the same spark plug for these runs. If the plug came out black and gooey, you're extremely rich and may have to use a new plug for good readings. Lean out the Main Jet a size or two to get close on the jetting and then put a new plug in and finish out the plug chop runs. Use your best judgment.

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Now, let's go look at the bottom end of the carb tuning.

 

In general, a TWO stroke carb has an Air Screw adjustment - which will be on the AIR FILTER SIDE of the carb's slide.

 

Most of the time, the air screw is set about 1-1/2 turns out from fully seated - this is a good base line starting point.

 

At first, adjust the Air Screw in 1/2 turn increments so you can see the difference. Then start being more finite by making 1/4 turn adjustments. You'll eventually get to where you only need to make adjustments in 1/8 turn increments.

 

Get your ride idling in neutral (warm it up fully first)

Quickly nail the throttle, going from idle to wide open in a smooth manner, but quick manner.

 

Just stabbing the throttle as fast as you can may cause enough disruption in the flow of the intake that the engine can't keep up - eventually, when the carb's tuned correctly, you should be able to nail it and have the engine react correctly. You'll see how this works as you tune the carb.

 

What does the engine do?

Does it hesitate and then rev up?

As it comes back down to idle, does it seem to hang at a higher idle for a minute and then settle down to normal idle?

 

If it does this you're Too Lean on the Air Screw adjusment. You need to richen it up by turning the Air Screw IN 1/2 turn and then repeat the test.

 

Adjust as necessary, repeating the test until you have a nice response.

 

Or

 

Does it sound like it bogs a bit?

As it comes back down to idle, does it seem to drop to a low idle (or even die) and then come back to normal?

If it does this, it's Too Rich. Turn the Air Screw out 1/2 turn.

 

Adjust as necessary, repeating the test until you have a nice response.

 

Remember: Adjust the Air Screw in 1/2 turn increments at first then fine tune with 1/4 turn and then 1/8 turn increments.

 

Repeat the proper adjustment until it responds without hesitation and drops back to idle without hanging or falling and then coming back up. Expect to do the bottom end adjustment at least three or four times before you get it right.

 

Go write down your findings

 

Now that you have a base line setting, try adjusting the air screw a full turn either way and see how the engine reacts. You'll soon see what the air screw does. Since you WROTE DOWN what you found, you'll be able to go right back to that adjustment point.

 

Just a little FYI: Four stroke carbs have a small adjustment screw on the ENGINE side of the carb's slide - it's not an air screw, it's a fuel metering screw, so screwing in the adjustment leans the circuit. NOT what we want on our two strokes.

 

Mid Range Tuning - The Needle

 

Now that we've done the top end and low end adjusting, what was the overall tuning direction of what you did?

 

Did you end up Leaning out the upper end and the bottom end? If so, chances are very good that it's Rich in the mid range too. (and vice versa if you were lean everywhere)

 

If you Leaned out on top and Richened on bottom (or richened on top and leaned out on bottom), chances are that you won't need to play with the Needle's settings.

 

This is where the Needle comes into jetting.

 

The Needle is inside the slide. You have to remove the cap that the throttle cable comes into. It just unscrews, pull it out and a large spring and a slide with the Needle will come out.

 

The Needle is removed by pulling the spring out of the slide body. You should be able to see it now. T here might be a retaining clip or washer on top of it. (once again, this depends on the carb - go use that manual!)

 

Now, this is a point that confuses people a lot.

 

To lean out a Needle, you need to move the Needle DOWN into the emulsion tube. You do this by moving the little c-clip Needle UP.

You richen the Needle by moving it UP - done by moving the clip DOWN.

You'll hear people talking lowering the Needle by raising the clip (leaning) or raising the Needle by lowering the clip (richen). You just have to stop and think about what was said.

 

Get the vehicle rolling, about 1/4 throttle and then feed in the throttle (you want to take about 1-2 seconds feeding in throttle - quickly, but not just snap it open)

 

What does it do?

Does it come off the bottom end well and then seem like it gets sluggish?

Then you're too rich - drop the Needle by raising the clip ONE position.

 

Does it seem like it wants to pull through, but just doesn't have any go? Then it's lean.

Raise the Needle by lowering the clip ONE position.

 

GO WRITE DOWN WHERE YOUR CLIP IS!!!

 

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Depending on how out of range your jetting is, you may have to work with the needle, air screw and main jet a couple times to get it right. Don't be discouraged if it doesn't work the first time - learn from it instead.

 

Worn Out Parts in your carb?

 

A little background first: This issue is more prevalent in four stroke machines. It occurs more quickly on them as they have a higher suction pressure than a two smoke does on the intake stroke - but enough cycles on any carb can eventually cause this.

 

(just a little side note: Most higher performance four strokes (MX Bikes and quite a few street bikes) use some version of the Keihin FCR flat slide carb. Because of the intake pulse's suction power, these carb's slides actually runs on bearings to keep them from getting stuck in the carb body during the intake pulse. That would be very bad! - it's also why so many of the four strokers use a push/pull throttle cable assembly - so you can force the slide closed if something inside the carb's slide sticks or such)

 

Anyhow, back to the info...

 

The needle, as it sits in the slide of any carb, is slightly loose - just the way they are by design. Some needles are held in by a small spring, some by a clip, some held by a small arm and a screw. But all of them have the ability to move just slightly.

 

This movement (especially as the carb gets older and starts to wear) allows the needle to rub against the inner wall of the needle jet (the brass tube that the needle slides down into and that the main jet screws into from the bottom of the carb - sometimes called the emulsion tube).

 

What happens over time is that the needle will eventually cause the needle jet to oval out, changing the jetting from mid-range on up towards the top end (not as much on top end though, as the main jet limits the maximum amount that the carb will flow when wide open and the needle's not really doing much when it's at wide open either).

 

So, if you're chasing what seems to be a rich mid-range jetting problem and you have a old carb or a carb with a lot of hours on it, pull the slide out and look down into the needle jet and see if it's starting to oval. You'll see the ovaling on the engine side of the carb. - think egg shaped

 

Most of the newer carbs, along with the higher performance older carbs, have replaceable needle jets, so if yours is looking worn, just go get a new one!

 

You can also do more specific tuning with the needle and needle jet too - there are often options of needle tapers and needle jet diameters. It can get really deep if you're one of those racers that chases that last spec of hp.

 

Want more, eh?

 

Here's a great article (that I stole from dhjunkie) on what the parts of the carb are and what they do:

 

This is from R&D Aerosports page and thought it might help those about what part does what in the carb. (Keep in mind, this was written about a particular carb - the sizes listed are not the only available - see local dealer for more)

 

What Jet Does What?

 

The Pilot System: The pilot or idler jet controls the air/fuel mixture mainly from closed to 1/4 throttle. Idler jet comes in sizes 35 to 60 at a 5 unit increments.

 

The Throttle Valve: The round, flat, or oval cylinder (slide) that rides inside the main carb body is the throttle valve. This part is rarely changed in tuning and the same style is used on all Rotax engines. These valves do come in different cut-away configurations which changes the angle of the diagonally cut surface, but they are expensive to change and hard to find. If you need a leaner mixture you can file down the first taper, which increases the angle of the cut-away. This will lean out the mixture.

 

The Needle Jet Circuit: This circuit is actually two toning pieces working in conjunction with each other.

The Needle Jet is the cylindrical brass passage located directly above the main jet. This part is available in sizes 268, 270, 272, 274, 276, 278, and 280. The smaller the number, the smaller the diameter of the inner passage and the leaner the condition. The jet needle is the pin that rides inside the throttle valve and out the bottom of this slide into the needle jet passage.

The Jet Needle: This part is available in 6H2, 802, 8G2, 8L2, 15K2, 11G2, 11K2, 15K2, and 15E5U. There may be a lot more available, but it's a well-kept secret, at least in this sport. A general rule of thumb to apply is, needles with a "High Number Code" produce richer mixtures above half-throttle. Example: 8L2 instead of 6L2. Needles with a "High Letter Code" produce richer mixtures below half-throttle. Example: 6P2 instead of 6D2. My recommendation is if you have a mid-range throttle problem, change the needle jet because this part will consistently affect the entire range from 1/4 to 3/4. Or you may want to experiment with your jet needle position.

 

The Jet Needle Position: This position is determined by which location the holding plate is installed on the jet needle. This position affects the timing of the jet needle versus the throttle side and the needle jet. This relationship requires some thinking. It may require you to read this section several times, but once you understand what's going on, you can make educated changes rather than random experiments.

Moving the holding clip to the top notch (position #1) will delay the timing between the jet needle and needle jet clearance versus the air intake supplied by the opening of the throttle valve. This will produce a leaner 1/4 to 3/4 throttle opening, because there will be more air passing into the engine than fuel allowed. Moving the holding clip to position #4 will accelerate the timing between the jet needle and the jet clearance versus the opening of the throttle valve. This will produce a richer mixture from 1/4 to 3/4-throttle opening. Don't expect miracles! While this change will make a difference, it may not cure your problem.

 

A common complaint is that an engine will not operate at a given rpm. The engine will either drop or gain rpm without a throttle change. This gap can be as much as 1,000 rpm's and can often occur in the cruise range. Very annoying! A lot of people attach the holding plate position and then, in frustration, go after the needle jet/jet needle circuit. This condition, more often than not, is a result of the tuned exhaust system not wanting to hold that rpm. There is a chance that a mid-range modification may take care of this problem, but in many cases, you are stuck with it.

 

The Main Jet: This part is easy to understand. It is simply a hole of an exacting size drilled in a hex-sided piece of brass. This passage controls all the fuel leaving the float bowl with the exception of the bypass circuits discussed previously. The main jet is available from 125 to 220 in 5-unit increments, with a few mid-sizes available, such as 146, 158, and 162. The smaller the number, the smaller the opening, and the leaner the condition. This part controls the fuel mixture mainly from 3/4 to full range. The majority of engine seizures and meltdowns occur in this 3/4 to full range. Leaning or richening the main jet will have a small effect on mid-range jetting.

 

EGT: CAUTION! Most EGT gauges read slow, it is possible to seize an engine with exhaust temperatures as low as 800 degrees. It is advised to start with a rich mixture and only jet down if the exhaust temperatures are low after an extended period of time. We recommend 1050 degrees for climb out and not over 1150 degrees at cruise.

 

And here is another:

 

General

All carburetors work under the basic principle of atmospheric pressure. Atmospheric pressure is a powerful force which exerts pressure on everything. It varies slightly but is generally considered to be 15 pounds per square inch (PSI). This means that atmospheric pressure is pressing on everything at 15 PSI. By varying the atmospheric pressure inside the engine and carburetor, we can change the pressure and make fuel and air flow.

 

Air Flow

Atmospheric pressure will force high pressure to low pressure. As the piston on a four-stroke engine goes down (or goes up on a two-stroke engine), a low pressure is formed inside the crankcase. This low pressure also causes a low pressure inside the carburetor. Since the pressure is higher outside the engine and carburetor, air will rush inside the carburetor and engine until the pressure is equalized. The moving air going through the carburetor will pick up fuel and mix with the air.

 

Inside a carburetor is a venturi. The venturi is a restriction inside the carburetor that forces air to speed up to get through. A river that suddenly narrows can be used to illustrate what happens inside a carb. The water in the river speeds up as it gets near the narrowed shores and will get faster if the river narrows even more. The same thing happens inside the carburetor. The air that is speeding up will cause atmospheric pressure to drop inside the carburetor. The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure inside the carburetor.

 

Circuits

 

Working range for each carburetor partMost ATV carburetor circuits are governed by throttle position and not by engine speed. There are five main metering systems inside most ATV carburetors. These metering circuits overlap each other and they are:

Pilot system

Slide valve

Jet needle and needle jet

Main jet

Choke system

Pilot System

The pilot system has two adjustable parts. The pilot air screw and pilot jet.

 

Air Screw

The air screw can be located either near the back side of the carburetor or near the front of the carburetor. If the screw is located near the back, it regulates how much air enters the circuit. If the screw is turned in, it reduces the amount of air and richens the mixture. If it is turned out, it opens the passage more and allows more air into the circuit which results in a lean mixture. If the screw is located near the front, it regulates fuel. The mixture will be leaner if it is screwed in and richer if screwed out. If the air screw has to be turned more than 2 turns out for best idling, the next larger size pilot jet will be needed.

 

Pilot Jet

The pilot jet is the part which supplies most of the fuel at low throttle openings. It has a small hole in it which restricts fuel flow though it. Both the pilot air screw and pilot jet affects carburetion from idle to around 1/4 throttle.

 

Slide Valve

The slide valve affects carburetion between 1/8 through 1/2 throttle. It especially affects it between 1/8 and 1/4 and has a lesser affect up to 1/2. The slides come in various sizes and the size is determined by how much is cutaway from the backside of it. The larger the cutaway, the leaner the mixture (since more air is allowed through it) and the smaller the cutaway, the richer the mixture will be. Slide valves have numbers on them that explains how much the cutaway is. If there is a 3 stamped into the slide, it has a 3.0mm cutaway, while a 1 will have a 1.0mm cutaway (which will be richer than a 3).

 

Jet Needle and Needle Jet

The jet needle and needle jet affects carburetion from 1/4 thru 3/4 throttle.

 

Jet Needle

 

Needle clip positionsThe jet needle is a long tapered rod that controls how much fuel can be drawn into the carburetor venturi. The thinner the taper, the richer the mixture. The thicker the taper, the leaner the mixture since the thicker taper will not allow as much fuel into the venturi as a leaner one. The tapers are designed very precisely to give different mixtures at different throttle openings. Jet needles have grooves cut into the top. A clip goes into one of these grooves and holds it from falling or moving from the slide. The clip position can be changed to make an engine run richer or leaner. If the engine needs to run leaner, the clip would be moved higher. This will drop the needle farther down into the needle jet and cause less fuel to flow past it. If the clip is lowered, the jet needle is raised and the mixture will be richer.

Needle Jet

The needle jet is where the jet needle slides into. Depending on the inside diameter of the needle jet, it will affect the jet needle. The needle jet and jet needle work together to control the fuel flow between the 1/8 through 3/4 range. Most of the tuning for this range is done to the jet needle, and not the needle jet.

 

Main Jet

The main jet controls fuel flow from 3/4 through full throttle. Once the throttle is opened far enough, the jet needle is pulled high enough out of the needle jet and the size of the hole in the main jet begins to regulate fuel flow. Main jets have different size holes in them and the bigger the hole, the more fuel that will flow (and the richer the mixture). The higher the number on the main jet, the more fuel that can flow through it and the richer the mixture.

 

Choke System

The choke system is used to start cold engines. Since the fuel in a cold engine is sticking to the cylinder walls due to condensation, the mixture is too lean for the engine to start. The choke system will add fuel to the engine to compensate for the fuel that is stuck to the cylinder walls. Once the engine is warmed up, condensation is not a problem, and the choke is not needed.

 

Air/Fuel Mixture

 

Air/fuel ratio for any given throttle positionThe air/fuel mixture must be changes to meet the demands of the needs of the engine. The ideal air/fuel ratio is 14.7 grams of air to 1 gram of fuel. This ideal ratio is only achieved for a very short period while the engine is running. Due to the incomplete vaporization of fuel at slow speeds or the additional fuel required at high speeds, the actual operational air/fuel ratio is usually richer.

Troubleshooting

Carburetor troubleshooting is simple once the basic principles are known. The first step is to find where the engine is running poorly. It must be remembered that carburetor jetting is determined by the throttle position, not engine speed. If the engine is having troubles at low rpm (idle to 1/4 throttle), the pilot system or slide valve is the likely problem. If the engine has problems between 1/4 and 3/4 throttle, the jet needle and needle jet (most likely the jet needle) is likely the problem. If the engine is running poorly at 3/4 to full throttle, the main jet is the likely problem.

 

General Guide

 

Guide to reading spark plugsClean the air filter and warm the bike up. Accelerate through the gears until the throttle is at full throttle (a slight uphill is the best place for this). If you hear pinging or if full throttle causes gasping and poor pulling at mid RPMs, this is a good sign that the engine is running lean. If the quad runs clean select a larger main jet until you find the jet that causes a blurbbing (four-cycling) sound. When you experience that sound, you have found the jet that causes the engine to run too rich. So back off one size to a smaller jet. This is the safe main jet to use. You could go another size leaner; but you need to be careful to avoid running too lean which causes the engine to run hot and could seize the piston. It's better to jet on the rich side.

An alternate way to figuring out if you're too lean or rich is to examine the spark plug. After a few seconds of full throttle running, quickly pull in the clutch and stop the engine (Do not allow the engine to idle or coast to a stop). Remove the spark plug and look at its color. It should be a light tan color. If it's white, the air/fuel mixture is too lean and a bigger main jet will have to be installed. If it's black or dark brown, the air/fuel mixture is too rich and a smaller main jet will have to be installed. While changing jets, change them one size at a time, test run after each change, and look at the plug color after each run.

 

After the main jet has been set, run the bike at half throttle. Any pinging means too lean. Blurbbing means too rich. Excessive smoking is also an indication of running too rich. As before, you can check the plug color. If it's white, lower the clip on the jet needle to richen the air/fuel mixture. If it's dark brown or black, raise the clip to lean the air/fuel mixture. Next go along slowly in one of the lower gears at less than 1/8 throttle and move the throttle quickly to 1/2 throttle. If the engine does not pull strongly. Sort of gasps for breath and only runs well after the RPMs build up, it is an indication that the needle is too lean.

 

The pilot circuit can be adjusted while the bike is idling and then test run. Get the bike idling by adjusting the idle stop up where it will idle slowly on its own. Try to find the air screw adjustment where you get maximum idle RPM. If the screw is in the back of the carburetor, screwing it out will lean the mixture while screwing it in will richen it. If the adjustment screw is in the front of the carburetor, it will be the opposite. As the idle RPM increases turn down the idle stop to return the idle RPM to a slow correct idle. You objective is to find the pilot jet that will give you maximum idle with the air screw set at 1.5 turns out. If turning the screw between one and two and a half doesn't have any affect, the pilot jet will have to be replaced with either a larger or smaller one. While adjusting the pilot screw, turn it 1/4 turn at a time and test run the bike between adjustments. Adjust the pilot circuit until the ATV runs cleanly off of idle with no hesitations or bogs.

 

Now when you find the correct pilot jet size you will want to do some final air screw adjusting to improve throttle response. Let the engine idle for 5 seconds then open the throttle abruptly and be aware of how the engine responds. If it almost dies, then you need a slightly richer idle mixture so that as that mixture is gulped at abrupt throttle openings it will be just a little rich and therefore give good response.

 

You can test this as you ride say slowly in 2nd gear with the throttle closed so that the engine is drawing only from the pilot. Open the throttle quickly. If you find yourself doing a wheelie, your air correction screw is set right. If instead the quad slowly accelerates, then your idle mixture is probably too lean and you need to richen it up a little.

 

Altitude, Humidity, and Air Temperature

Once the jetting is set and the bike is running good, there are many factors that will change the performance of the engine. Altitude, air temperature, and humidity are big factors that will affect how an engine will run. Air density increases as air gets colder. This means that there are more oxygen molecules in the same space when the air is cold. When the temperature drops, the engine will run leaner and more fuel will have to be added to compensate. When the air temperature gets warmer, the engine will run richer and less fuel will be needed. An engine that is jetted at 32° F may run poorly when the temperature reaches 90° F.

 

Altitude affects jetting since there are less air molecules as altitude increases. A quad that runs good at sea level will run rich at 10,000 ft due to the thinner air.

 

Humidity is how much moister is in the air. As humidity increases, jetting will be richer. A bike that runs fine in the morning's dry air may run rich as the day goes on and the humidity increases.

[Penetru]

Am avut la auto o problema ,apareau intreruperi la anumite turatii dar abia dupa o ora de functionare,bobina de inductie avea pierderi interne care apareau doar la cald. CDI-ul ar putea si el sa genereze probleme dupa ce se incalzeste.

Editat Noiembrie 1, 2010 de Penetru

[stulewa]

bun post Manuel, foarte bun!!!

[karpatenwolf]

Am si eu o yamaha ttr 600 si cam aceeasi problema ca si tine

IN TIMP SCURT FUNCTIONEAZA FOARTE BINE, dar tot asa la un drum mai lung sau dupa vreo 2 ore de mers face figuri :

-ori se opreste din mers (da cateva rateuri inainte)

-ori nu mai porneste deloc la kick

In unele cazuri mai reusesc sa o pornesc impinsa; ma mai tarai un pic apoi iar se opreste si tot asa pana nu mai porneste deloc; iar daca vin a 2-a zi si o pornesc o ia de la prima pedala.

Am fost cu ea pe la vreo 3 mecanici pana acum. Toti mi-au umblat pe la carburator, bujie, pornire dar aceeasi problema, mai mult ma chinui sa o pornesc decat sa ma plimb

Daca este vreunu care are sau a avut acelasi tip de motocicleta cu aceleasi probleme il rog sa ma anunte

La TTR 600 S-ar putea sa fie CDI

[Claudiu22@.56]

Buna ziua am di eu o intrebare azi am esit cu atv si cand am vrut sal dau pe libear mia pocnit ceva la motor 

Cand am vrut sal pornesc nu am mai putut oare dc multumesc 

[ionel0875]

Si eu am fel o problema ,la un cross 125cc 4t

Scanteie are ,compresie extrema are si numai nu porneşte.

Bujia este umeda si cateodata si neagra 

Si imi sufla parca benzina afara pe la filtru de aer

Mdntionez ca am curatat foarte bine carburatorul.

[Stolojan]

Buna seara am și eu un Atv tgb blade 550 pe care l-am oprit funcționând după care am vrut sa merg cu el și nu mai pornește da scânteie vine benzina învârte normal Pt pornire nu troncane nimic in momentul când dau sa pornesc doar ca nu mai pornește aveți idee din ce ar putea sa fie ???

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