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    MotoGP - Discutii generale

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    Speedweek:

     

    Works agree: MotoGP World Championship 2027 with 850 cc
    By Günther Wiesinger November 2nd, 2023 - 7:30 p.m


    In the MotoGP World Championship, 990 cc was used from 2002 to the end of 2006, then 800 cc for five years, and 1000 cc since 2012. There will be another displacement reduction in 2027.

    At the Austrian GP in mid-August, Ducati racing boss Gigi Dall'Igna explained when asked by SPEEDWEEK.com whether agreement could be reached among the five manufacturers on the idea of reducing the MotoGP engine capacity from 1000 to 850 cc for 2027 with a slight smile: “Three and a half manufacturers are in favor of it…”

    The “half” manufacturer was Pierer Mobility AG with the brands KTM, Husqvarna and GASGAS, which was still stubborn at the time because it was hoping for two additional MotoGP slots from Dorna in return for concessions in this area. The clear rejection came from Aprilia Racing CEO Massimo Rivola, who wanted to achieve the reduction in engine power by increasing the bore (now a maximum of 81 mm) and maintaining the 1000 cc in order to limit the development costs for new performance parts.

    “We agree to the reduction to 850 cc,” explained Pit Beirer in an interview with SPEEDWEEK.com. “We think this is a relatively sensible reduction. Because if you take away 150 cc, torque and power are taken out of this class. You can develop very cool MotoGP regulations with 850 cc. There is now a stable majority for the 850 cc.”

    Beirer confirms after the most recent MSMA meetings: “In principle, Aprilia would like to stick to the 1000 cc engine. That was originally our idea too. But after a lot of discussion, we moved into the 850cc direction, which definitely has positive aspects. Of course, it was initially a cost factor for us not to change the engine so radically because it would have been cheaper to continue working on the basis of an existing engine. And the cost side concerns not only Aprilia, but all of us.”

    KTM's top speed record at 366.1 km/h
    In the discussions about the MotoGP technology regulations for the five years from 2027 to 2031, two cornerstones should be in the foreground: The MotoGP rockets should not get any faster, because the top speed record of Brad Binder (KTM) has stood since then Mugello 2023 at an incredible 366.1 km/h. In addition, costs should be reduced rather than increased. That's why a budget cap was even negotiated, which also exists in Formula 1, but which is difficult to control. Negotiations are underway to eliminate devices and limit winglet sizes. One thing is certain: fossil fuel will be obsolete after 2026, and the fuel must then consist of 100 percent synthetic fuel.

    At the beginning of the 2023 season, the manufacturer's association MSMA discussed reducing the displacement (since 2012 at 1000 cc), but this was then rejected because the construction of completely new engines and performance parts would lead to higher development costs, they said majority view.

    But the idea came up again in the summer and there was talk of a new MotoGP displacement limit of 850 cc for the period after 2026.

    As a reminder: The MotoGP four-stroke era started in 2002 with 990 cc, from 2007 up to and including 2011 it was used with 800 cc.

    By the way: The top speed in MotoGP has increased by around 40 km/h in 20 years, because Tohru Ukawa achieved this on the 1.1 km long Mugello straight in 2002 with the 990 cc five-cylinder Honda RC211V only 324.5 km/h.

    Marc Márquez increased the record to 350.6 km/h in Doha/Qatar in 2015 with the 1000 cc V4 Honda.

    The glorious MV Agusta times are long gone: Giacomo Agostini raced to victory in Monza in 1971 with the 90 hp three-cylinder 500 cc four-stroke MV with a winning average of 204.5 km/h. And on the ultra-fast, 14.1 km long Ardennes route in Spa-Francorchamps, the 500cc bikes even achieved an average speed of 220 km/h in the mid-1970s.

    In the end, the Dorna managers will have the final say if the factories cannot agree on the winglets and devices. Because those responsible at Dorna can introduce a veto and invoke the safety factor. Safety definitely plays a role, for example when it comes to top speed (reduction in displacement) and aerodynamics (because of the dangerous turbulence and “dirty air”).

    MotoGP - Discutii tehnice

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    cred ca se potriveste mai bine aici acest articol:

     

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/its-better-to-be-calm-otherwise-you-go-crazy/

     

    MotoGP's most experienced crew chief: 'Better to be calm, or you'll go crazy!'

    ...

    Antonio Jiménez: “During the last three years MotoGP has become even more complicated. For example, the tyres… the tyres are subject to much more stress [due to downforce aero and ride-height devices], so the hard front tyre from maybe three years ago is now a medium-soft, because the loads are so much greater – the riders brake later and enter the corners with more force.

    “The evolution is too big, so some components on the bikes don’t follow that evolution and for me this is one of the difficulties of MotoGP today. This isn’t a criticism of the tyres, but the tyres are basically the same as three or four years ago, while the bikes have made a big, big evolution.

    “Then there is the choice of which tyres we use for the race, which is also a problem now, but the good thing is that it’s the same story for everyone.

    “But the evolution of the bikes is so big and I don’t know how they will limit this evolution, because the stress for the riders is so much now. We saw in India [where Jorge Martin collapsed in pit lane after the GP] how much stress they were under.

    “Here [we are talking in the Mandalika paddock on the eve of the Indonesian GP] the track is at 60 degrees and we have 300-horsepower engines in the bikes and a lot of electronics components that produce a lot of heat, so it becomes very difficult for the riders, both physically and mentally.

    ...

    What are the biggest things that take up your time during a weekend?

    “In the past you started on Friday and you worked on the bike to make it turn better, to make it more stable and so on, mainly with suspension settings. Now you must have the bike almost perfect from FP1, so the base must be 90% fixed and then you work with the electronics and tyres. Years ago, we used to change the geometry a lot, but now we only do this if we are in the shit.”

    What about aerodynamics?

    “We can only homologate two sets of aero, so we can only use them. So you already know what works and what doesn’t. Sometimes you change from one to the other, but nowadays the main work from day one is tyres: tyre choice, tyre pressure and tyre life.”

    And because tyres quantities are limited you’re playing with them like you play with engines?

    “Exactly. Sometimes in FP1 you don’t use the good tyres because you need to save them for later, so you must manage all of this. But again, the good point is that the regulations are the same for everybody, so you cannot complain about the tyres.

    “For me, the most important thing to do after FP1 is to work on tyre choice, tyre management, tyre temperature and tyre pressure over many laps. These are the most important things.”

    “But sometimes you must forget this area a bit. For example, at Red Bull Ring, Motegi and Chang [Buriram] you may have brake problems, because at these tracks you are on the limit with the brakes and when you’re on the limit with the brakes then it’s related to the tyres, because you generate so much heat with the big discs. You try to keep the heat from getting to the tyres, but sometimes by cooling one part of the bike you heat up another, so you must find a balance.

    “Being in the factory team can also makes things difficult, because sometimes our engineers say, ‘We have a new swingarm for you to try’, or Öhlins say, ‘We have a new fork for you to try’. But how can we have the time to try these things? It’s impossible!

    “Then it’s electronics: engine-brake, power delivery, torque control and anti-wheelie. Everything is related.

    “And every race is different. We go from Mandalika, with 60°C on the track, to Phillip Island where we try to keep the brake discs warm! But Phillip Island is no stress for the brakes and no stress for the wheels getting hot, so everything is a bit more relaxed. Then we go to Chang where it will be f**king, f**king stressful, because everything there is an extreme problem: tyres, brakes, bike stability, acceleration, the heat for the rider, everything!”

    .....

    With all this new technology it seems like the rider and engineer are much more integrated now, like F1 drivers and engineers, so do you need to tell your rider what to do with the aero, ‘Don’t lean off too much here because you will stall the wing,’ and so on?

    “If we try some new aero that might have a big effect we tell the rider to be careful if he does this or that, but we are only allowed to homologate two sets of aero, so this doesn’t happen very often. But yes, we must be careful with new aero, because it can change the balance of the bike.”

    ...

    17 OR Thailand Grand Prix

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    Acum 20 ore, Speedy.K a spus:


    Bagnaia e in fata lui Martin la general pentru ca per total a mers un pic mai bine. Suficient cat sa castige niste puncte in plus.

     

     

    putem vedea clar care si cand a mers mai bine. inceputul de campionat a fost a lui FB1. e clar ca JM89 e pe val in a doua jumatate. amandoi au trei cazaturi in cursele mari. FB1 are un loc 16 si o cursa neinceputa. dar per total cand a terminat a fost in primele 3 locuri, pe cand JM89 are multe locuri in afara podiumului. 

     

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    17 OR Thailand Grand Prix

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    eu zic ca unul din motivele pentru care Peco merge mai slab e monitorizarea presiunii si penalizarile date pentru asta. era interesant daca Dorna ar fi pus toate datele la vedere pentru toti pilotii de la inceputul sezonului. 

     

    Aleix Espargaro has become the first rider to be penalised for incorrect tyre pressure.

     

    The Aprilia rider was hit with a three-second time penalty after the Thailand MotoGP for spending more than 50% of the race under the minimum tyre pressure.

    His punishment means a fifth-place finish has turned into a eighth-place finish.

    The severity of the punishment is because it is Espargaro's second offence under the new regulations.

    A third offence would carry a six-second time penalty, and a fourth offence is a 12-second time penalty.

    Maverick Vinales, Espargaro's teammate, became the first MotoGP rider to break the new rules in Barcelona. He was given an official warning.

    Also in Thailand on Sunday, Pol Espargaro, Marc Marquez and Jorge Martin were hit with official warnings for their first breach of the tyre pressure rule. They each spent more than 50% of the race with less than the minimum pressure.

    17 OR Thailand Grand Prix

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    tare cred ca si aici se va rupe contractul mai repede, dar deocamdata nu are unde merge Fabio:

     

    After finishing 20-seconds behind race-winning countryman Johann Zarco (Pramac Ducati), Quartararo was asked if one winter is enough for Yamaha to close the gap for 2024:

    “We need 15 winters to really be like them,” Quartararo replied. “But like I said, to be like them for me is not the goal. The goal is to get closer. Because every year we make maybe one step in one area, but we lose two steps in another.

    “The chassis that we had in the past was magical, you could do whatever you wanted with the bike. The bike was slow, but the bike was turning like hell. Now the bike is slow but it's not turning.

    “Of course, the engine is faster [this year], but the other ones also improved their engine, so the difference is the same. But they improved so much the chassis, I don't know if by chassis or aero.

    “Every year the gap is bigger and bigger, even if in some areas we improve. But we have to reduce the gap to the others [for 2024]. This is my main goal.”

    https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1039065/1/fabio-quartararo-yamaha-needs-15-winters-catch

    17 OR Thailand Grand Prix

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    din pacate (sau din fericire) Rins nu o sa participe nici in Thailanda:

     

    Alex Rins will miss this weekend's Thailand MotoGP because he needs to undergo surgery again.

    “Happy after our doctor's appointment today,” he posted to social media. “The injury keeps a positive evolution. 

    “We've identified the cause of the pain and we'll undergo a small surgery to ease it. 

    “We won't be at the Thailand MotoGP but we keep working towards a full recovery.”

    https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1039067/1/alex-rins-set-surgery-again-will-miss-thailand-motogp

    17 OR Thailand Grand Prix

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    27 Oct - 29 Oct

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    CATEGORY - LAPS - TOTAL DISTANCE - FINISH IN CASE OF RED FLAG

    MotoGP™ - 26 - 118.4 Km / 73.57 Miles - 20

    Moto2™ - 22 - 100.19 Km / 62.25 Miles - 17

    Moto3™ - 19 - 86.53 Km / 53.76 Miles - 14

     

    Vineri:

    06:45-07:30 MotoGP™

    Free Practice Nr. 1

    11:00-12:00 MotoGP™

    Practice

     

    Sambata:

    06:50-07:05 MotoGP™

    Qualifying Nr. 1

    07:15-07:30 MotoGP™

    Qualifying Nr. 2

    08:50-09:05 Moto3™

    Qualifying Nr. 1

    09:15-09:30 Moto3™

    Qualifying Nr. 2

    09:45-10:00 Moto2™

    Qualifying Nr. 1

    10:10-10:25 Moto2™

    Qualifying Nr. 2

    11:00-11:45 MotoGP™ 13 Laps

    Tissot Sprint

     

    Duminica

    05:40-05:50 MotoGP™

    Warm Up

    07:00-07:35 Moto3™19 Laps

    Race

    08:15-08:55 Moto2™22 Laps

    Race

    10:00-10:50 MotoGP™26 Laps

    Race

     

     

    16 MotoGP™ Guru by Gryfyn Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix

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    La 20.10.2023 la 9:46, ioio_viola a spus:

    deci acum e asa programul:

    Sambata 

    02:10-02:40 MotoGP™

    Free Practice Nr. 2

    02:50-03:05 MotoGP™

    Qualifying Nr. 1

    03:15-03:30 MotoGP™

    Qualifying Nr. 2

    07:10-08:00 MotoGP™ 27 Laps

    Race

     

    Duminica

    03:00-03:35 Moto3™21 Laps

    Race

    04:15-04:55 Moto2™23 Laps

    Race

    06:00-07:15 MotoGP™13 Laps

    Tissot Sprint

     

     

    Program devansat cu o ora pentru maine dimineata

     

    Duminica

    02:00-02:35 Moto3™21 Laps

    Race

    03:15-03:55 Moto2™23 Laps

    Race

    05:00-06:15 MotoGP™13 Laps

    Tissot Sprint

     

    16 MotoGP™ Guru by Gryfyn Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix

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    s-a modificat schimbarea:

     

    Due to inclement weather forecast for Sunday the 22nd of October, the schedule for the MotoGP™ Guru by Gryfyn Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix has been updated. This decision has been taken proactively in order to guarantee the best and safest possible show for all competitors and fans attending Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit this weekend.

    The MotoGP™ Grand Prix race will now take place on Saturday the 21st of October at 15:10 local time (GMT +11).

    The Tissot Sprint is now scheduled to begin at 14:00 on Sunday the 22nd of October, weather permitting.

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