Costume/combinezoane " ieftine " dar bune .

[Theodor Theodor]

Incep prin a spune,ca nu vand nimic,nu pentru acest lucru am deschis acest topic.

Am avut in trecut un combinezon din 2 bucati produs de Firma pachistaneza Motofast si comercializat in state. Nestiind ce sa cred,daca e bun ori ba,am zis sa fiu safe si mi-am luat un combinezon Dainese Laguna Seca Evo 1 pc,perforated leather.

Sincer va spun,nu mi-a placut.Motive fiind ca nu ma simteam comfortabil in el,mesh-ul interior era foarte sensibil,cum bagai piciorul in el,un pic mai neatent,aveai foarte mari sanse sa se rupa.

Adunatura aia de piele,tipic dainese,unde au cele 2 sisteme de prindere pt ghete pe interior cat si pe exterior, era foarte incomfortabila. Material extra in zona fundului,singurul loc in care nu mi se potrivea costumul,desi am fund proportionat cu restul corpului ).

Trecand peste aceste aspecte,am decis sa il dau mai departe,am ramas cu motofast in care ma simteam comfortabil,desi avea peste 5 ani vechime,iar pielea arata ca in prima zi.

 

Am cautat producatorul,l-am contactat si am facut comanda pentru 3 costume 1pc,design-ul l-am ales eu. Nu pot pune poze,pentru ca ... cred ca mi-as lua ban,pentru probleme de copyright,insa producatorul e foarte "flexibil" cand vine vorba de personalizat costumul tau.

Standard,cu shipping prin Dhl m-a ajuns 260-270 euro pentru fiecare costum,ma refer cu tot cu vama,la o valoare declarata de 100 euro per unitate. Costul costumului,efectiv,a fost de 165 euro.

Costumul m-a impresionat.mai mult decat cel original avut,pielea e foarte buna,protectiile nu sunt diferite de cel avut "inainte" ,mai merg imbunatatiri facute,insa sunt chestii de gust si preferinte.

Pentru o personalizare completa,pe masuratori si patch,desene,etc,a cerut inca 100 $ ,lucru pe care cred ca il voi face in viitoarea comanda.

 

Ca idee,stiu sa apreciez calitatea materialelor,cat si munca depusa. Am luat recent 2 perechi de manusi AlpineStars GpPro ,de pe alliexpress,cu 34 euro perechea,insa sunt panarame,doar de ordin estetic pot fi comandate cu inima impacata,pentru protectie in nici un caz.

 

Daca aveti intrebari,va stau la dispozitie.

 

[Theodor Theodor]

A fost luat de pe acest forum,de la un user din Constanta,costumul era ca nou,a fost cu verificare la predare,altfel nu il luam. Comentariul rautacios nu isi are sensul .

Daca esti deschis la mine sa accepti si alte variante,atunci ai venit pe topicul bun.de cauti doar cearta,ocoleste acest thread.

 

Le: am 4 cazaturi cu unul din acele costume,sunt luate de ceva timp.

3 sunt pe un scuter,intr-o competitie locala de anduranta,insa una a fost pe motor,pe strada la 60-80 km/h in curba,impact cu parapetul. Roata de fata crapata si furcile strambe.

Daca nu as fi cazut cu el,nu le-as fi recomandat nimanui,indiferent cat de bine arata.

Pentru stiinta ta,chiar si manusile Alpinestars Gppro originale,ce costa 215 euro,tot in China sunt facute. (AM si originale)

Editat Mai 23, 2016 de Theodor Theodor

[Theodor Theodor]

Nu intelegi,nu sunt adeptul chinezariilor,departe de mine,insa acest costum chiar merita.

Am lucruri originale, gen Alpine stars Supertech 2015 ,Sidi Vertigo Corsa , Alpinestars GpPro ,de asta am si precizat ca acele chinezarii de pe alliexpress,nu merita cumparate,cu toate ca sunt pret f mic.

Se simt ieftine,sunt imitatie din piele,plasticaraia pe ele e proasta ,la fel si cusaturile .Nu e la fel in cazul costumelor.

Daca ai intra un pic pe wikipedia,ai putea sa vezi ca cei de la motofast au peste 20 de ani vechime in acest domeniu,nu zic ca au cele mai bune produse,insa pentru pretul pe care il au,iti dau un produs uimitor de bun,cel putin dupa parerea mea.

[csman]

producatorii de echipamente ar trebui sa vanda echipamentele numai dupa un crash test ca la masini. am mari dubii in privinta rezistentei la abraziune/impact ale echipamentelor, nume pompoase gen cordura,dynax,etc nu garanteaza siguranta fara un test corespunzator.

de exemplu: http://www.endurowanderer.de/pdf/kombitest.pdf

si traducerea in engleza:

 

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We felt really sorry for the dummy. 30 times he had to slip away from the motorcycle lowside. Floundering he skidded on the tarmac along until he is in the final meters around its longitudinal axis finally turned and remained motionless. Then ADAC investigator Ruprecht Müller visited the victim and assessed the visible damage to the protective clothing. The results of unprecedented, even by the ADAC tests developed to determine the protective effect of motorcycle apparel made not only the experimenter pensive.

The wearing of protective clothing is among motorcycle fans one of the most controversial topics in general. The "armor" for the one kilometer long journey to fillup at the gas station? Pooh! In jeans and leather jackets brisk the 40 miles over land to the jet-girlfriend? Both there, and in between, lies an enormous range of more or less reasonable behavior. Finally, it is the risk to get hurt while riding a motorcycle is much higher than when driving. Therefore it remains that only a protective helmet in addition, motorcycle gloves, and boots are worn. But this only gives a minimum level of passive safety. Over the last 15 years more products from high strength materials have been used to compete with the classic leather upper. Protectors are also often combined with both types of materials to protect the high-risk body parts: shoulders, elbows, knees and hips. In particular, the development of breathable and waterproof membrane have made the textile suits much more popular. The temperature range in which they are perceived as convenient, is clearly wider than that of leather clothing. But how do they standup in terms of protection?

To test an ADAC test drop and an elaborate system was developed to make such a comparison between textile and leather clothing possible. The goal of the test was not to filter out the worst or best textile-leather suit but rather deal with with the fundamental consideration of simpler and thus suits cheaper in comparison with higher quality and more expensive equipment. The price groups are "to 350 ," "to 900 " and "" more than 1000 . In addition, we tested a combination with a simple leather jeans from casual leather jacket and a "soft leather" made tour combination. The individual results are in the boxes on this and the following pages. Here's why the general findings of this dropping test which was aimed at a simple accident with an assumed severity of injury

AIS 1 means (: minor injuries such as superficial wounds, muscle pain, etc.) reproduce.
A "Low side" of slipping
Motorcycle is typical. Exactly when accidents of this severity may show protective clothing, what they can - and
she did well in the test. The range of results range of "looks as if little what was "up to a total loss. Had a human instead of the dummyman been in one of the three textile combinations tested, he would have in the two cheaper combos significant suffered injuries and even with the 1625-euro-Rukka ArmaXKombi would not fall without a likelihood of injuries.

The findings of the ADAC test are particularly important because not only the upper to its abrasion resistance
was tested but also the entire system from top material, protectors and - where applicable - thermal lining. Whether in a combination is there when the glissade is called for, makes a noticeable difference! And the location and size of the protectors (ADAC expert Müller: "The larger more effective! ") is an extremely important factor. These points apply to both textiles as well as leather suits. The latter generally fare much better: the self-certified leather suit with the lowest price, according to the test when with restrictions on use, the Swabians leather combination for 1320 shakes the procedure formally off. Unexpectedly good results from a combination of simple leather jeans and a casual leather jacket by surprise. The soft leather combination less well protected. For all combinations a lack of good, large hip protectors threatens severe bruises in a relatively slight fall and in extreme cases, even fractures!

Crucial - and this is the most important result of the ADAC tests - is that it is not only the resistance of the material, but the overall design of protective clothing. Good, as great protectors play a very important role, because they also seam stability increase and seams are always weak points ... But most important is to be aware of two wheels to the fundamental risk. In order to ensure ride and good - even perfectly possible - to slow down, safety training are important. The ADAC offers in approximately 60 locations. They protect at least as good as the most expensive "Armor" - the best accident is after all, still the one that was avoided.

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FLM Textile: The combination of Firefox Polo brand FLM is made of 500 D outer material, is on the jacket fall-prone areas AIRTENA 600 D materials used on the pants HITENA (both 100% polyamide). There is also an anti-slip material on the buttocks. On the back there is one thin foam insert, on shoulders, elbows and knees CEProtektoren used. A hip protector is missing. After the test is the combination of a total loss. Humans should expect significant skin and soft tissue injuries due to the large hole in the buttocks and hips area. Also the jacket resulted in a tear.

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FLM Leather: Leather (1.2 - 1.4 mm) is for the "Stream" combination of FLM is used. Stretch fabric made ​​of polyamide increases in some places the movement. On the back of the jacket is there is a thin foam lining. Shoulders, elbows and knees have CE protectors but hip protectors are missing. After the test is 310 cheap leather suit - albeit for of a crack near the elbow protector with restrictions - is further usable. A person would likely not experience significant skin or soft tissue injuries but the lack of hip protectors would greatly increase the risk of severe bruises or fractures.

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Stadler Textile: Jacket and pants are Cordura 500, on shoulders, elbows and knees Cordura comes in 2000 are used. The seat of the pants has leather trim on one. Given the severe damage in the test can no longer use the combination
be. A sleeve has four small Holes, and there is a crack. The upper material of the pants keeps the Load was not; on the right buttock, hip and thigh area all tissue layers by ground that is too small protector ground off the side. In humans there would be due to the size of the hole significant skin and soft tissue injuries.

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Dainese Leather: The "T. Haku," Combined Dainese is made ​​of cowhide, to stretch leather on the upper arm is
and lower back. to increase mobility in some places stretch fabric made ​​of 100 percent nylon. No back protector, CE protectors at shoulders, elbows and knee. Thin protective padding on the hips. The combination may, under the test be used with limitations. A person most likely would not have significant skin or soft tissue injuries but due to the lack of full hip could expect increased likelihood of bruising or fractures.

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rukka Textile: The relevance to the protection function is called Upper Armacor (85% polyamide, 15% aramid). to
Protective equipment including CE certified cushion for back, shoulder, hip, elbows and knees. climate membrane is an XCR Gore-Tex 3-layer laminate. After the test is the combination ArmaX no longer usable. Another problem found by the particular the interface-related wrinkles emerged; Armacor by the local tissue was overloaded, which led to a distinct hole formation. A person would most likely have mild skin and soft tissue injuries.

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SchwabenQuellen leather: The combination "Tomcat" is invariably made ​​of cowhide (1.4 - 1.6 mm) and Kevlar stretch panels. Included is a three-part closed cell polymer foam back protection and protectors for shoulder, hip, elbow and knee. After testing, this combination was fully ready for use, only their appearance had been affected by the grinding marks. Even in highly polluted areas of abrasion hazard was minimal. The upper material remained closed in all areas. Also the high-quality protectors used provide the maximum protection factor. By far the best result.

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Held Leather: The Varano jacket and the Avolo pants are made from soft cowhide leather with TFL Cool-manufactured equipment. Additional protection is a thin-Rückenpolster (CE protector is optional) for shoulder, hip, elbow and CE knee protection pads are used. After the test is the only hero combined with severe restrictions more usable. The soft leather did not show the strength of other leathers. It is also the Creasing debt, they will be the average benefit. In humans there would be slight skin injuries as a consequence to the formation of holes in the buttocks area

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POLO / Hero Leather: The leather jacket polo "Ratrace Custom" is made ​​of nappa leather, it has no protector but only foam rubber protection padding on shoulders and elbows. The hero-leather jeans "Tucson" is cowhide, with no other protection. After the test both the jacket and trousers could be used with restrictions. Both parts provide a fairly good result. In humans, the result would likely be no skin and soft tissue injuries but due to the lack of the hip protectors, severe bruises or breaks are more likely.

sursa: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/leather-vs-textile-60mph-lowside-shredding-test.734081/

[csman]

Arunca un ochi pe filmuletul pus de mine mai sus, vezi cum se testeaza echipamentele la fabrica dainese.

reclama isi fac toti, da eu cand intru la ei pe site nu vad nicaieri un rating al rezistentei sau al sigurantei. iar Jacket certified to CE - Cat. II - 89/686/EEC Directive e cam frectie. pana nu se testarea de un organism independent testarea lor poate fi masluita.

Editat Mai 23, 2016 de csman

[LexDee]

Am inteles ca la fiecare costum "ieftin si bun" primesti si un cadou (la fel de original)!!

Editat Mai 23, 2016 de LexDee

[m4mihai]

Am inteles ca la fiecare costum "ieftin si bun" primesti si un cadou (la fel de original)!!

 

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» Post actualizat in 23 May 2016 15:47

Exista cateva persoane care fac la comanda tot felul de costume, impresionand prin faptul ca pe o bucata de piele proasta poate scrie Dainese, ori Honda, ori Za Best...

Avand in oras o persoana care aduce la comanda chestiile astea, am vazut multe... toate au o croiala ciudata, arata rau, protectiile par casante si nici nu stau la locul unde ar trebui sa stea, cusaturile sunt strambe, lista poate continua pana la cei 300euro (costul in tara a acestor chinezarii).

 

Fiecare alege acum pentru siguranta lui... insa cat timp exista persoane care pretind ca poti muri oriunde si oricand, ar trebui sa ia in calculc ca nu multi reusesc sa reziste o saptamana in spitalele romanesti!

[lessy]

Pune amu o poza sa vedem despre ce e vorba.o poza cand e pe tine,aia nu e reclama

[Theodor Theodor]

Lessy,poti sa vezi in alt thread deschis de mine poze,nu am asa multe posturi .

Csman- iti inteleg punctul de vedere si sunt de acord cu tine in legatura cu o transparenta mai mare a producatorilor . Nu poti compara rezultate obtinute de alti producatori cu un alt produs,cu alte cuvinte mere cu pere. Cauta review negativ despre produsele motofast.

 

@all ceilalti ,nu stiu de unde aduce vecinul tau si nu ma intereseaza decat daca iese din aceiasi fabrica, postere cu arsenie poti sa iti comanzi cate vrei,ironia ta nu isi are rostul.

Multi dintre voi ganditi ca si costul de productie al unui iphone 6 este de 700€, a.i . merita acest pret, asa ca parerea voastra,pt mine,este irelevanta.

 

Ma repet,nu reprezint Motofast,nu am nici un castig de pe urma acestei postari,incerc sa ajut pe altii ce au buget restrans si vor ceva bun. E irelevant ce logo alegi sa iti pui,e important sa te simti bine in el si sa isi faca treaba.

[Theodor Theodor]

Mersi Starscream. Cazatura cu motorul a fost din prostie ( target fixation in un dublu apex ) ,abia ce terminasem de facut motorul pentru pista si aveam alta suspensie pe spate si mi-a dat " aripi " .Nu o sa se mai repete pe drum public,supersport doar pe pista de acum incolo. Cat despre cazaturi cu scutere,ce sa zic,sunt distractive dar si alea pot fi evitate,insa nu prezinta pericol ca cele de pe motor.

 

Despre costume,nu pot forta pe nimeni sa imi accepte ideile,Iimi permit sa imi cumpar orice costum de pe piata,pot face dovada la acest lucru,am avut dainese original si nu mi-a placut,daca ar fi fost ceva care sa ma deranjeze la acesta pe care il am,nu il pastram.

Eu o sa mai comand cateva bucati pentru cei din grupul meu,toti cei care l-au vazut sunt incantati de cum arata si cum e conceput,si toti stiu de la bun inceput ca e o replica .

Numai bine !

[JAGI]

Pakistanezii sint de departe cei mai tari la prelucrarea pielii. Au fost fabrici care lucrau pt brandurile mari consacrate, dar firmele s-au mutat cu productia in China pt infrastructura ei si pretul mai mic. Unii patroni pakistanezi s-au adaptat , precum cel amintit mai sus. Primul costum Tecnik luat din USA era made in Pakistan. Poate multi ati vazut documentarul ce zecile de fabrici pakistaneze care faceau mingi de fotbal pt Adidas, Puma, etc.

 

 

Legat de costume bune si mai ieftine, cumparati-le la lichidari de stock. Cu 400 euro iti iei un Berik , Arlen Ness de calitate. Testat personal, minim 100m de slide pe asfalt, nu a cedat in nici un loc. Si nu erau modele de virf cu protectii externe de titan.

Editat Mai 24, 2016 de JAGI

[Amstaff]

Recomand cobinezoanele Teknic, sunt de foarte buna calitate, piele foarte groasa si cusaturi perfecte.

Cu muuult peste alte branduri mai consacrate.