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Acum 12 ore, frigider a spus:

cred ca exagerezi, concluzia asta o tragi dupa ce ai baut minim 2 beri cu el.

 

Nu as vrea sa beau vreo bere cu el. 

 

Comportamentul lui, ca pilot, este determinat de caracterul lui. 

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interesant articol cu care pot fi de aceeasi parere:

 

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-are-modern-motogp-riders-so-inconsistent

 

Top MotoGP riders are more inconsistent now than they’ve been ever before.

This understandably confuses a lot of fans and can make MotoGP impossible to understand: how can the same rider and motorcycle finish second one weekend and tenth the next? Was the rider just not bothered the second time out, so he decided to have a lazy Sunday? Did his engineers decide to take the weekend off and drink beers in the hotel bar?

There has to be a reason, so is it because today’s MotoGP riders are lazy, unfocused and too busy spending their millions on fast cars and swimming pools?

The results of recent seasons suggest that might be the case.

The entire top ten flashed past the chequered flag separated by five seconds in Qatar and Australia

In 2020 Joan Mir won the MotoGP title by scoring just 48% of the available points. Fabio Quartararo won last year’s crown with 62% of the points. Now Pecco Bagnaia is on the verge of winning this year’s championship, having scored 54% of the points from the first 19 races. This puts them all near the bottom of average points scores since the first world championship in 1949.

Compare these numbers to MotoGP kings of recent decades: Wayne Rainey won the 1990 title scoring 85% of the points, Mick Doohan took the 1997 crown on 90%, Valentino Rossi the 2003 championship on 89%, Casey Stoner the 2011 title on 82%, Jorge Lorenzo the 2015 crown on 73% and Marc Márquez the 2019 championship on 88% (the greatest premier-class campaign of all time, by the way, with spec tyres and electronics).

So surely today’s MotoGP winners must be a bit useless by comparison? Of course not. The exact opposite, in fact.

...

“I think Marc had such a mental gain on everyone when he was dominating that the other guys almost thought they were racing for second,” he says. “The guy could do what he wanted. Then when he got hurt there was a new young generation coming in, who hadn’t been beaten up by him as much as the boys before, so maybe they thought that when the king is away the dogs will play. So they got better in their minds and all of sudden they had chances of winning and when you win you just get more and more confidence and it’s a snowball. There was no real leader in the class, so everyone was having a crack at it.”

 

...

“You remember the days of the ‘aliens’ [Rossi, Lorenzo, Márquez and so on]… If they had a bad day they were fourth or fifth, now you’re 15th. This is the reality. It’s also the way the boys are riding, how they’ve changed their styles and they’re all pure athletes and fully committed.

“I think the class has never been so stacked with talent. The will to win from the manufacturers and the riders has brought us into this era – it’s just a consequence of all that stuff.

“It can be really frustrating – you have a good race and you think, ‘What did we do different?’. Everyone is trying to drag everything out of the bike, but it’s milliseconds that make the difference now.

...

So, to sum up: any fans complaining about MotoGP riders being a bit useless because they can’t bring home big points hauls, week in, week out, don’t know what they’re talking about

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Poate sunt si motocicletele mai greu de setat, iar acum parca mai mult ca oricand motocicletele sunt de performante apropiate, detaliile mici facand diferenta decisiva.

 

Rossi, Lorenzo, Marquez erau la Yamaha si Honda. Cei care contau. A fost si Ducati o perioada. Honda si Yamaha au livrat constant clientilor material de concurs net inferior. Cine sa-i bata pe cei din echipele de uzina?

 

In plus, s-a mai discutat ca noile generatii sunt foarte concentrate pe performanta sportiva, nu pe restul din jur. S-a discutat asta, cred ca si Rossi a vorbit despre.

 

Treaba cu gandul la cheltuitul banilor chiar cred ca n-are niciun sens in contextul dat.

 

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Acum 3 ore, ioio_viola a spus:

interesant articol cu care pot fi de aceeasi parere:

 

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-are-modern-motogp-riders-so-inconsistent

 

Top MotoGP riders are more inconsistent now than they’ve been ever before.

This understandably confuses a lot of fans and can make MotoGP impossible to understand: how can the same rider and motorcycle finish second one weekend and tenth the next? Was the rider just not bothered the second time out, so he decided to have a lazy Sunday? Did his engineers decide to take the weekend off and drink beers in the hotel bar?

There has to be a reason, so is it because today’s MotoGP riders are lazy, unfocused and too busy spending their millions on fast cars and swimming pools?

The results of recent seasons suggest that might be the case.

The entire top ten flashed past the chequered flag separated by five seconds in Qatar and Australia

In 2020 Joan Mir won the MotoGP title by scoring just 48% of the available points. Fabio Quartararo won last year’s crown with 62% of the points. Now Pecco Bagnaia is on the verge of winning this year’s championship, having scored 54% of the points from the first 19 races. This puts them all near the bottom of average points scores since the first world championship in 1949.

Compare these numbers to MotoGP kings of recent decades: Wayne Rainey won the 1990 title scoring 85% of the points, Mick Doohan took the 1997 crown on 90%, Valentino Rossi the 2003 championship on 89%, Casey Stoner the 2011 title on 82%, Jorge Lorenzo the 2015 crown on 73% and Marc Márquez the 2019 championship on 88% (the greatest premier-class campaign of all time, by the way, with spec tyres and electronics).

So surely today’s MotoGP winners must be a bit useless by comparison? Of course not. The exact opposite, in fact.

...

“I think Marc had such a mental gain on everyone when he was dominating that the other guys almost thought they were racing for second,” he says. “The guy could do what he wanted. Then when he got hurt there was a new young generation coming in, who hadn’t been beaten up by him as much as the boys before, so maybe they thought that when the king is away the dogs will play. So they got better in their minds and all of sudden they had chances of winning and when you win you just get more and more confidence and it’s a snowball. There was no real leader in the class, so everyone was having a crack at it.”

 

...

“You remember the days of the ‘aliens’ [Rossi, Lorenzo, Márquez and so on]… If they had a bad day they were fourth or fifth, now you’re 15th. This is the reality. It’s also the way the boys are riding, how they’ve changed their styles and they’re all pure athletes and fully committed.

“I think the class has never been so stacked with talent. The will to win from the manufacturers and the riders has brought us into this era – it’s just a consequence of all that stuff.

“It can be really frustrating – you have a good race and you think, ‘What did we do different?’. Everyone is trying to drag everything out of the bike, but it’s milliseconds that make the difference now.

...

So, to sum up: any fans complaining about MotoGP riders being a bit useless because they can’t bring home big points hauls, week in, week out, don’t know what they’re talking about

tare asta cu procentele.

patetice unele cifre :)) 

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Ha ha, interesant si asta:

 

If Ducati wrap up the title this weekend, it will be the first time in history that 4 different manufacturers have won the riders 500cc/MotoGP championship in 4 consecutive seasons, the record being 3 achieved in:

1949-1951
1974-1976
1982-1984
1992-1994
2005-2007
2019-2021

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Acum 9 ore, PzKpfW a spus:

Este o mișcare rațională: sunt prezenți practic pe toate categoriile moto, mai puțin cea de motociclete sport carenate - adică fix segmentul principal al celor de la MV.

Dacă cumpărau ducati aveau șansă reala sa ia campionatul 😆 (anul asta chiar)

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Acum 22 ore, apriliacluj a spus:

Agusta..., fara U :)

Da, mea culpa. 

Acum 21 ore, PzKpfW a spus:

 

Nu înțeleg de ce.

Pentru ca pe tot ce au pus mana lacustele astea, au distrus. Bine, nu mor eu de grija italienilor. 

La 31.10.2022 la 12:40, ioio_viola a spus:

Foarte tare articolul!!! Interesant argumentat, doar ca uita un lucru esential: ca majoritatea pilotilor sunt foarte talentati, dar altii (rarisimi) sunt geniali. Iar cei geniali au dovedit, de-a lungul istoriei competitiei, ca sunt monstruos de constanti. Daca Marquez nu s-ar fi accidentat, articolul asta nu ar mai fi fost scris. 

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asta e ca oul si gaina. daca nu apareau tinerii astia super sportivi/talentati, MM nu trebuia sa forteze peste limita (nebuna) care o avea constanta si nu se accidenta :) 

 

putem zice ca inainte aveam piloti mediocrii care stateau cu anii in MotoGP. acum daca nu ai confirmat sau nu ai avut macar cateva rezultate bune in primii doi ani esti zburat imediat ca vin altii cu acelasi potential. 

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Acum 10 minute, ioio_viola a spus:

daca nu apareau tinerii astia super sportivi/talentati, MM nu trebuia sa forteze peste limita (nebuna) care o avea constanta si nu se accidenta :) 

Asta este doar perceptia unora de aici, care nu l-au vazut pe MM inca de cand era la Moto3. MM a fortat mereu, indiferent cu cine a concurat. Este felul lui de a face lucrurile, pur si simplu merge la limita sau, de multe ori, peste limite. In cazul lui, sa spui ca a fortat si a cazut, pentru ca au aparut niste tinerei (care, iata, sunt foarte inconstanti), este nonsens total. Judecand dupa ce am vazut sezonul asta, Marc, in deplinatatea conditiei fizice, cu o motocicleta cat de cat pusa la punct, se joaca cu astia. 

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pai asta am zis si eu. avea o limita nebuna mult peste ceilalti care a mers o lunga perioada de timp. cand a trebuit sa treaca de ea a facut buba.

de acum putem da vina pe orice: ba ca Honda nu (mai) e ce trebuie, ba ca MM a fost accidentat si nu mai e la potentialul maxim, ba ca nu se aliniaza stelele...

Oricum o sa fie acolo in fata, iar daca cei din noua generatie nu stiu sa ramana constanti s-ar putea sa mai ia si un campionat. 

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