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[PzKpfW]

Nu știam că Marc VDS vrea să intre în WSBK. Sunt curios cum se va descurca Sam față de Alex.

[danypop]

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/marc-marquez-should-retire-while-he-still-can-wayne-gardner

[ENEOS]

Pricinos. La fel ca pescaru':

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/casey-stoner-calls-for-radical-changes-to-motogp-rules

[damager]

Acum 22 ore, ENEOS a spus:

Pricinos. La fel ca pescaru':

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/casey-stoner-calls-for-radical-changes-to-motogp-rules

Dupa  milioanele investite in tehnologie, sigur vor renunta la ea , ca zice Stoner

[ioio_viola]

nah ca s-au schimbat regulile in timpul jocului;

Changes to how MotoGP™ riders enter Q2 approved

The Grand Prix Commission agrees to change the sessions timed for entry into Q2

 

The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Paul Duparc (FIM), Hervé Poncharal (IRTA) and Biense Bierma (MSMA), assisted by Messrs. Jorge Viegas (FIM President), Carlos Ezpeleta (Dorna), Mike Trimby (IRTA, Secretary of the meeting) and Corrado Cecchinelli (Director of Technology), in electronic meetings held in July 2023, made the following decisions, effective immediately:

MotoGP™ Class Practice Sessions timed for entry into Q2

Following unanimous agreement between the MotoGP™ Class Teams, the GPC has approved a proposal to change the sessions timed for entry into Qualifying 2. 

The first premier class practice session of a Grand Prix weekend will no longer be timed for qualifying/entry into Qualifying 2. 

It will remain 45 minutes in length and will now be named Free Practice 1. 

The second, 60-minute practice session on Friday will now be named Practice. It will be the sole practice 
session timed for entry into Q2. 

The 30-minute session on Saturday morning will now be named Free Practice 2. 

MotoGP™ Class sessions therefore now comprise: 

• Friday
− Free Practice 1 (FP1): 45 mins
− Practice (PR): 60 mins, timed for entry into Q2

• Saturday
− Free Practice 2 (FP2): 30 mins
− Qualifying 1 (Q1): 15 mins
− Qualifying 2 (Q2): 15 mins 
− MotoGP™ Tissot Sprint (SPR)

• Sunday
− Warm Up (WUP): 10 mins 
− Race (RACE)

A regularly updated version of the FIM Grand Prix Regulations which contains the detailed text of the regulation changes may be viewed shortly on: 

https://www.fim-moto.com/en/sports/view/fim-world-championship-grand-prix-4327

[xt600]

La 15.07.2023 la 21:57, ENEOS a spus:

Pricinos. La fel ca pescaru':

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/casey-stoner-calls-for-radical-changes-to-motogp-rules

In ceea ce priveste regulamentul tehnic, sunt lucruri pe care el le-a mai declarat acum vreo 2-3 ani.  Si are multa dreptate. Din pacate, este auzit, dar nu si ascultat. 

Cat priveste regulamentul, omul spune ceea ce spun eu de ani de zile: 

"There needs to be a cap on the rules that’s there for 10 years, so that manufacturers can reasonably catch up to each other and not keep moving this imaginary rule system that doesn’t really seem to be there. Even when I was there, I remember people saying «oh we can change the rules to fit that». What’s the point of a rulebook if you can change it?All of this stuff, it’s pushing the price up so far, and you’ve got half the bikes on the grid dictating who’s allowed to beat who. It’s not fair and it’s not the way a world championship should be’.

[ENEOS]

Acum 3 ore, ioio_viola a spus:

nah ca s-au schimbat regulile in timpul jocului;

În timpul ăsta dorna...

[xt600]

O discutie interesanta despre pneuri: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/1031494/1/michelin-direction-motogp-should-go-exclusive

[PzKpfW]

KTM se pare că încearcă să "fure" echipa LCR de la Honda; asta le-ar permite să le ofere cele două locuri lui Pedro Acosta și... Marc Márquez.

 

Iar Álex Rins pare să fie din ce în ce mai aproape de locul lui Morbidelli la Yamaha.

 

Dacă mișcările se concretizează, cel care va fi tras paiul scurt pare să fie Joan Mir.

[frigider]

Acum 25 minute, PzKpfW a spus:

Dacă mișcările se concretizează, cel care va fi tras paiul scurt pare să fie Joan Mir.

+ taka

[tourist1]

1 oră în urmă, PzKpfW a spus:

KTM se pare că încearcă să "fure" echipa LCR de la Honda; asta le-ar permite să le ofere cele două locuri lui Pedro Acosta și... Marc Márquez.

 

Iar Álex Rins pare să fie din ce în ce mai aproape de locul lui Morbidelli la Yamaha.

 

Dacă mișcările se concretizează, cel care va fi tras paiul scurt pare să fie Joan Mir.

Senzatia mea era ca Mir se doreste afara de la Honda dupa ce si-a rupt oasele constant. Doar ca din cum sunt asezate lucrurile s-ar putea sa fie afara de tot.

Acum 45 minute, frigider a spus:

+ taka

Taka oricum a fost acolo din diferite motive in locul altcuiva mai capabil. Si maine daca e pus pe liber tot pe plus ramane.

Filip Salac se muta sezonul viitor la Marc VDS in locul lui Sam Lowes. 

[danypop]

https://motosprint.corrieredellosport.it/news/motomondiale/moto-gp/2023/07/16-6527252/mir_in_motogp_basta_honda_ufficiale_meglio_una_ducati_gresini

[tourist1]

Ce a ajuns Gresini.

Si ce ciuda imi e ca nu a apucat Fausto sa vada echipa.

 

Honda mai participa anul viitor?

Daca da, cu cine? Lecuona si Arbolino?

[ioio_viola]

cateva declaratii interesante a lui Pierer:

 

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1031634/1/ktm-answer-key-questions-marquez-acosta-fernandez-espargaro-2024-lineup

KTM answer key questions on Marc Marquez, Pedro Acosta, Augusto Fernandez, Pol Espargaro, and their 2024 line-up

RobertJones

21 Jul 2023

   

KTM have delivered a bold and fascinating insight into their 2024 plans which Marc Marquez has been constantly linked to.

The manufacturer were reportedly trying to bring the LCR satellite team into their group, creating two spaces for Marquez and Pedro Acosta.

But now Stefan Pierer, CEO of the Pierer Group which owns KTM, has explained their plan.

About recruiting Marquez, Pierer told Speedweek: "I'm not saying it's out of the question. But that doesn't suit us.

"How many times do you think he’s been offered to us in the last few months?

"This is a stuck situation- he is not entirely innocent. His riding style now doesn't really suit these aerodynamically defaced bikes. That's why he falls so often.

"We want to be world champions one day. But signing a Marquez is not our way. We build the riders ourselves, from Moto3 to Moto2.

"I also believe in Brad Binder and Jack Miller, who fought for the Moto3 World Championship title with us in 2014 and has now returned."

Binder and Miller are contracted for next season already, and so is Tech3 GASGAS rider Pol Espargaro.

However, Espargaro has missed the whole season so far due to injuries sustained on the first Friday leading to speculation about his future.

Augusto Fernandez was contracted until the end of this season so, despite his impressive performances, he is clearly at-risk of Acosta who will step up from Moto2 to MotoGP within the KTM group.

 

Pierer has insisted that he will somehow find space for Espargaro, Fernandez and Acosta on KTM machinery in the premier class next season.

He revealed that Fernandez has been given a new deal: "That's why we've already extended his contract. He already has a contract. 

"And Pedro Acosta has one too. And we guarantee that he will be on a MotoGP KTM in 2024.

"It will all work out. First of all, we have to give Pol another chance to show how well he's recovered. He wasn't there for half a year. 

"The fact that he will be a test rider is currently not an issue. It depends on Pol how he is doing.

"If he performs as expected, he will drive a full season next year. We have a contract with him.

"The fact is that Pedro Acosta will be riding a MotoGP-KTM in 2024. Wherever that will be.

"And if I need an extra place, everything will be arranged."

Pierer admitted that he is still trying to acquire one of the existing satellite teams.

"Basically, the Gresini team was not an option for me," he said.

"The current economic situation will not make things any easier for the private MotoGP teams. 

"I hear the second Aprilia team is already having financial difficulties; it must be supported by Aprilia.

"One or the other, a place will surely fall down. I bet you!"

Pierer said KTM will try to buy any satellite team that is available: “Certainly, if something comes up, we will adopt it. 

"I'm assuming that one or the other MotoGP spots will become available and that we will compete with all five riders.”

He added: "I'm very concerned that Honda will also drop out after Suzuki."

 

Si alte zvonuri de pe piata transferurilor:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1031598/1/joan-mir-negotiations-join-ducati-next-season

 

A seat is expected to become free if they dispense with Fabio di Giannantonio, but Mir is not the only candidate to fill it.

Tony Arbolino is linked with a step-up from Moto2, and Johann Zarco is also rumoured as part of a reshuffle involving Marco Bezzecchi perhaps moving to Pramac.

“It is not certain that Mir will win it,” the report states, however his interest gives Ducati another fascinating option for their 2024 rider line-up.

[danypop]

Deci pe scurt, se feresc toți de MM mai ceva ca de râie

[apriliacluj]

eu sunt curios ce salar minim ar accepta MM la viitoarea echipa, stiind ca acum are 20-25mil...

plus ca si pt 2024 sunt asigurati acesti bani, daca ramane la 'Onda

[danypop]

Nu cred ca ar avea pretenții la bani dacă ar primi o mobra mai de doamne-ajută. 

Si cred ca treaba asta e valabila pentru toți pilotii, ar merge gratis dacă cineva le-ar garanta titlul la final de an. 

[xt600]

1 oră în urmă, apriliacluj a spus:

eu sunt curios ce salar minim ar accepta MM la viitoarea echipa, stiind ca acum are 20-25mil...

plus ca si pt 2024 sunt asigurati acesti bani, daca ramane la 'Onda

Probabil si asta ese un motiv pentru care toti se feresc sa il ia. Este scump. Ducati plateste putin, iar la KTM salariile sunt de-a dreptul infecte. Nici unul dintre acesti doi constructori nu mi se pare un deal pentru el, din punct de vedere financiar. Nici din cel al performantelor, niciunul nu ofera garantii: KTM, cu toate progresele facute, nu este inca o motocicleta castigatoare, iar la Ducati, daca vrea titlul trebuie sa ajunga in echipa de uzina si sa il demoleze pe Bagnaia din pozitia de pilot nr.1. Sa ia titlul cu o motocicleta de client este un vis umed care nu are nici o legatura cu realitatea. Cea mai logica decizie, in cazul lui, este sa ramana cu Honda si in 2024. 

[ioio_viola]

despre "viitorul" in MotoGP. am extras cateva pasaje care mi se par mie interesante. e destul de lung "interviul", dar pare fara ceva concluzii clare a ce ne rezerva viitorul. 

 

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/change-motogps-tech-rules-you-may-end-up-with-the-opposite-of-what-youre-trying-to-achieve/

 

It’s the weekend of the German Grand Prix at Sachsenring and I’ve requested an interview with Corrado Cecchinelli, Dorna’s director of technology, who used to be technical director of the factory Ducati team.

I want to talk to Cecchinelli about MotoGP’s technical direction and a few other things.

On Friday morning I show up at Dorna’s portable paddock office block and meet Cecchinelli, who tells me that my questions (emailed in advance) are too wide-ranging for his sole attention, so leads me to the office of Dorna’s chief sporting officer Carlos Ezpeleta, son of Carmelo, the man who led Dorna’s buyout of MotoGP in 1992.

Ezpeleta junior is now responsible for the sporting and technical areas of MotoGP. He is qualified for this role, because he has a degree in mechanical engineering.

What follows is a somewhat strange interview, in fact it’s less of an interview and more of a philosophical discussion about racing, but this is my fault.

...

The idea behind giving this power to the manufacturers was to give them a stake in the series, otherwise why would they want to invest hundreds of millions in GP racing?

In fact Dorna has tried to do something about some of these new technologies. Last year it put two options to the MSMA: ban all ride-height devices from 2025 or ban front devices from this year.

“They all voted for option B,” says Ezpeleta. “What we want to do with the rules and what we can do are two different things, like everything in life.

“Fortunately and unfortunately MotoGP isn’t a dictatorship, so we have to see what the industry wants. As much as we’d like to implement changes in the regulations, by closing some doors or whatever, that’s still changing the rules.”

....

“I did this exercise,” replies Ezpeleta. “I worked out how many times FP1 was faster than FP2, before this year [when it didn’t count towards qualifying], and it was less than 2% at all events. So clearly you could test in FP1 98% of the time and not be damaged.

“Even before the sprint format some riders wanted all practice sessions to be free practice. I said, ‘Perfect, no one will watch!’. Have you watched Fridays in F1? They’re abysmal!”

Which brings us to what was a scoop at the time of the interview but isn’t anymore.

“Of course! I’m worried sick about losing Honda and Yamaha”

“If your question is, ‘Do we want to revise the concession points system?’, that’s a different question,” adds Ezpeleta, who went public with this information two weeks later.

“I personally think concession points is one of the items we will need to speak about.”

I assume Ezpeleta is worried about MotoGP losing Honda and Yamaha.

“Of course! I’m worried sick,” he says. “And not only about that – I’m worried about their top riders saying, ‘I’m out of here’. So there’s a concern about those factories and there’s a concern about some factory teams not having top riders.

“But the regulations are what they are and we can’t change them until 2027, unless all the manufacturers agree.”

....

“It’s not a big secret that we’re working on new regulations for 2027, which will have a number of performance-decreasing factors,” Ezpeleta continues. “I think there will be a significant performance drop in 2027, then the factories will start regaining that performance and in ten years’ time you’ll come back to me and we’ll be having the same conversation!

“But how much of a downgrade do we want? We’re not five seconds faster than World Superbikes and, compared to five years ago, we’re only 1.5 seconds faster than we were then.

“Clearly, I feel there’s room for improvement. I think power is one conversation, aero is another, ride-height devices is clearly another and tyres too.”

...

“For me, good racing comes when there’s tyre management,” affirms Ezpeleta.

In other words, when the tyres are worse!

“About aero, maybe from the outside it seems very easy – just get rid of wings,” Ezpeleta goes on. “But at this point it’s quite straightforward – there’s no getting rid of the wings when you can already buy street bikes with wings, which are racing in World Superbike.”

Fair enough, I say, but ban ground effect, because most people I know in car racing have been shouting this at me for the last few years, “Don’t let MotoGP go down the ground-effect road because it’s a disaster!”.

“We are only in the current situation because all the factories have tried to go faster,” says Cecchinelli. “There was never any goal to make the show worse!”

 

 

[xt600]

Un interviu foarte interesant cu Jonas Folger despre diferentele dintre motocicletele de GP, de acum si cele de pe vremea cand concura la clasa mare: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-bikes-arent-easier-to-ride-now-theyre-harder-to-ride/

 

 

Lucio Cecchinello a spus pas ofertei KTM: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1031999/1/lcr-boss-confirms-intention-stay-honda-and-not-switch-ktm

https://www.gpone.com/en/2023/07/21/motogp/cecchinello-confirms-he-has-a-contract-with-honda-for-2024-and-will-respect-it?refresh_ce

[danypop]

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/marc-marquez-if-i-see-a-wall-i-go-through-it/

[ENEOS]

Acum 2 ore, danypop a spus:

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/marc-marquez-if-i-see-a-wall-i-go-through-it/

Se poate înlocui peretele (wall) din text cu orice altceva, cum ar fi alt(i) concurent(i)...

[xt600]

Acum 2 ore, ENEOS a spus:

Se poate înlocui peretele (wall) din text cu orice altceva, cum ar fi alt(i) concurent(i)...

Asa se explica faptul ca trece (la propriu) prin ceilalti concurenti.  Cum spuneam si cu altra ocazie, am mari semne de intrebare cu privire la intelectul baiatului asta... iar afirmatia asta, chiar si cu sens figurat, imi confirma indoielile. 

O stire importanta din curtea Yamaha: https://www.gpone.com/it/2023/07/25/motogp/crutchlow-wild-card-nel-gp-del-giappone-con-una-yamaha-prototipo.html-0

 

si aici: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1032039/1/significant-turning-point-yamaha-confirms-cal-crutchlow-s-motogp-wildcard

 

 

De la Silverstone incep sa se aplice penalizari pentru nerespectarea presiunii in pneuri: https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/211336/Ab-Silverstone-werden-Reifendruck-Vergehen-bestraft.html

[PzKpfW]

În mod surprinzător, Bezzecchi a ales să continue cu VR46 în 2024 în detrimentul unei mutări la Pramac. Piloții vor rămâne deci neschimbați la cele două echipe client Ducati.

 

Asta reprezintă o problemă pentru Morbidelli, care va fi cel mai probabil înlocuit în 2024 la Yamaha de către Álex Rins; ar fi sărit probabil cu nerăbdare pe motocicleta lăsată liberă de Bezzecchi dacă pleca la Pramac. Așa are doar un loc teoretic disponibil la Gresini (care va renunța la Di Giannantonio), dar un loc disputat și de către Tony Arbolino. Ca ultime soluții ar avea posibilitatea să meargă la LCR în locul lui Rins (deși nu cred că a avut discuții în acest sens) sau în locul lui Razgatlıoğlu la Yamaha în WSBK.

 

Având în vedere refuzul declarat al lui Lucio Cecchinello de a trece la motociclete KTM (o abordare rațională dealtfel), orice mișcare din partea lui Marc Márquez pentru 2024 este cam exclusă. La fel, asta înseamnă vești proaste și pentru Augusto Fernández care a cam rămas fără posibilități având în vedere decizia lui Acosta de a merge în MotoGP la anul (1) și faptul că, spre deosebire de el, Pol Espargaró are contract ferm cu Tech3 pe doi ani (2).

[frigider]

Acum 29 minute, PzKpfW a spus:

Având în vedere refuzul declarat al lui Lucio Cecchinello de a trece la motociclete KTM (o abordare rațională dealtfel),

KTM merge mai bine ca honda dupa mine.