Motogp - presezon 2026

[xt600]

Acum 14 minute, Cavaleru a spus:

 

cum sa vezi 850ul testat in curse??

Simplu. Yamaha, fiind in grupa D valorica, are dreptul sa dezvolte si sa vina cu ce motor doreste, de-a lungul sezonului, sau pana face acel barem de puncte, pentru a intra in categoria urmatoare de concesii. In teorie, daca regulamentul nu interzice in mor explicit sau nu prevede contrariul, Yamaha ar putea concura cu motorul de 850. Desigur, ar fi la coada clasamentului, dar ce mai conteaza. Stiu ca s-a mai discutat odata pe aici aceasta posibilitate si se pare ca regulamentul nu prevede ceva in sensul asta, dar nici nu interzice, doar specifica niste parametrii tehnici, pe care constructorii nu au voie sa ii depaseasca. 

Desigur, este doar o speculatie a mea, nu este ceva ce Yamaha va pune in practica, dar in teorie, ar fi posibil. Singura prevedere care ar putea sa blocheze o asemenea initiativa, ar fi obligativitatea si pentru Yaamaha, chiar daca este in grupa D, sa omologheze un motor pentru 2026, dar asta se cam bate cap in cap cu libertatea de a lucra la propulsor si de a veni cu diferite iteratii ale acestuia, in timpul sezonului. Sigur, ar mai fi si gentlemen's agreement-ul dintre constructori, prin care fiecare se obliga sa testeze propulsorul 850, doar in teste private. Daca exista o asemenea intelegere. Dar daca se forteaza litera regulamentului "a la Jiji", teoretic se poate.  

[Method]

Acum 48 minute, Cavaleru a spus:

cum sa vezi 850ul testat in curse??

Eh,asta a inteles colegul de acolo.

El intelege cam ce vrea el sa auda de cele mai multe ori

pt el "on-track" inseamna curse

 

A,si referitor la ce zice Meregalli (se vede ca e iarna daca il analizam pe nenea asta,dar sa zicem),el zice ceva acolo,dar nu inteleg pe ce se bazeaza :

Acum 48 minute, Cavaleru a spus:

Although the V4-switch was made to exploit the current Michelin rubber, Meregalli said there is no chance of an Inline4 returning for the Pirelli era.

“No, because as the 2027 regulations has been written, the [best] possible engine configuration is the V,” he said. 

Nu zic eu ca stiu cu ce se mananca Michelin Pirelli samd,nu zic ca nu are dreptate nu imi permit sa il contrazic,eu doar intreb pe ce se bazeaza.

Am citit un articol in care Guintoli are putin alta parere :

 

Former MotoGP rider and World Superbike champion Sylvain Guintoli played a key role in developing the title-winning GSX-RR as Suzuki’s factory test and wild-card rider.

“Suzuki ran a V4 many years ago, then when they came back, they went for the Inline, which was during the time I was there.It obviously worked really well because they were able to win the title in 2020. And then Fabio won the title in ‘21. So there were two Inline4 titles in a row.It's only after that, that the domination started with the V4s."

 

Asked for his opinion on what triggered the V4 shift, Guintoli said:

“Well, for sure the aero, combined with the horsepower superiority of the V4, which you need because you've got the drag from all these wings and aero devices to push along the straights.Then with the ride-height devices, they are more drag bikes now, so that also helps with putting all that power down.When you drop the rear device, you've got more ability to use the power compared to a conventional bike, where the power has to be restricted until you're in fourth gear basically.So the aero, the ride-height devices and the overall grip - all of this made the bikes more efficient, let’s say, allowing the riders to use more power than ever before. I think that's why you get that little [V4] edge.”

That advantage, Guintoli believes, becomes even clearer as tyre grip drops during a race.

“In a racing situation, when the edge grip drops, you can't carry corner speed like before,but with a V4 you can stop and turn the bike quickly at the apex, then use all that power once the bike is picked up.By doing that you lose less time than if you try to carry the corner speed [the strength of an Inline].So for me it's why things have edged that way… But it's not a given that this is still going to be the case when we have the new rules in 2027!”

And that’s the twist.With MotoGP switching to smaller 850cc engines for 2027, ditching ride-height devices and moving to Pirelli rubber, the current V4 ‘edge’ from maximising the Michelin rear tyre might disappear.

“We'll see, but in ‘27 we're also going to have more natural bikes, without ride-height devices, with less aero, and it'll be interesting to see how that goes...Maybe an Inline4 would not be a bad idea!”

 

Parerea mea e ca omul makes a good point - noile reguli interzic fix ce avantaja masiv motoretele "de drag" "stop'n'go bikes" etc :

guma spate super aderenta

ride-height

big aero

 

Toate astea vor disparea.De aceea s-ar putea ca un motor V4 sa nu mai aiba acel edge.Daca nu mai ai acea guma spate,nu mai ai drop ride height si nici aero asa puternic,degeaba ai puterea extra a V4.

Repet - nu zic ca Guintoli are dreptate,insa are niste argumente destul de valabile la ceea ce spune.Va fi interesant sa vedem ce se intampla,insa pacat ca nu mai e nici un constructor cu 4L sa vedem daca ar fi avut vreun avantaj.

[frigider]

Acum 1 oră, xt600 a spus:

Singura prevedere care ar putea sa blocheze o asemenea initiativa, ar fi sa inceapa sa tipe si sa dea din maini toti ceilalti producatori.

 

e super avantaj necinstit ca yama sa o arda cu motoru ala live pe circuite si sa adune sute de mii de km cu el.

isi cam asigura sansele sa se bata la campionat in 27 sau sa domine complet.

Editat 39 minute în urmă de frigider