Remorca Moto...

[lucyfire_legion]

stiu ca anumite modele aveau asa ceva,ma refer la comuniste.

as vrea sa stiu daca aveti asa ceva,cum se comporta motorul la drum tractand,etc.(si nu in ultimul rand cam cat costa o jivina de asta...)

ma refer la remorci realizate de fabrica,nu artizanale.

parca jawele aveau....

[Aleko]

Pai KMZ si IMZ vand acelasi tip de remorca, rotile difera... ajung la aproximativ 1000$, in conditiile in care nu stiu daca RAR-ul a avut un cuvant de spus. De tras, sigur trag bine, au luat exemplu de la parintii bavarezi care aveau la razboi remorca.

CU M61 am remorcat un M72 , tot cu atas, nu a fost mare efort.

[Auxois350]

Nu stiu exact cum se manifesta, dar stiu ca al meu, are pe sasiul atasului ochiul de imperechere pt remorca. Nu stiu unde poti gasi o remorca de fabrica. Dar din care am auzit, au fost modele care au venit cu remorca cu tot din fabrica, deci s-ar putea sa gasesti pe la fostii proprietari!

[ozzy]

Am un prieten care are o remorca pe un Ij. A facut cu ea toata tara. Avea probleme la deal unde trebua sa schimbe pinionul cand intra pe serpentine.

In rest zicea ca nu prea o simte decat la oprire si la pornire. In mers nu avea nici o problema la curbe ori la depasiri. Cam asata stiu eu de la el.

 

Am mai pus link-ul pe forum pe aici. Nu se vede foarte bine remorca dar poza e superba.

Nu a fost cu ea la RAR dar nic nu l-a oprit nimeni. Unii zic ca nu trebe inmatriculata altii zic ca da.

Mie mi se pare supr tare sa mergi cu remorca dupa tine. Daca ai boxer si ii pui si remorca ai deja camion.

 

Iaca poza .

 

http://www.moto.clubromantic.ro/poze/Filia...ges/page-3.html

Editat Noiembrie 16, 2006 de ozzy

[lucyfire_legion]

pe numitul pasare din cluj il stie cineva?avea un ij ciopar cu remorca la bacau acu ceva ani...apoi el ar avea de povestit,drumuri de munte pe motor cu remorca!

de pret s-a lovit cineva?adica totusi preturi romanesti ca 1000 de iepuroi nu dau pe o remorca decat daca sunt de ciocolata!

[kerosen]

cu sigurantza ca la 1000 de euroi itzi confectzionezi cel putin 3 bucatzi, iar daca nici nu trebuie inmatriculate e shi mai bine.

a mai fost discutzia asta cu inmatriculatul remorcilor, eu am intrebat la RAR shi au zis ca trebuie cuplajul sa fie omologat ca de restul se ocupa ei.

Editat Noiembrie 18, 2006 de kerosen

[daciana]

[pepsi]

cum adica cuplaj omologat?

[daciana]

[kerosen]

adica nuca shi cupla ca la mashina. shi sa fie cumparate cu acte, ca sa potzi dovedi ca sunt originale, shi nu facute de nea ghitza strungaru'

[B.B.]

adica nuca shi cupla ca la mashina. shi sa fie cumparate cu acte, ca sa potzi dovedi ca sunt originale, shi nu facute de nea ghitza strungaru'

 

de unde cumpar si eu o remorca de asta omologata? oare trebuie inmatriculata?

[Liviu M]

Eu am TULA cu remorca artzanala omologata . Nu se simte la drum , sau cand intorc in loc . E-mail remorcamoto@yahoo.com

[mihai_prd]

Si baiatu are remorca. La RAR mi s-a spus ca sa pun nr de inmatriculare de la motor pe ea, nu sa-i fac altul separat.

[Aleko]

pentru motocicletele cu atas KMZ si IMZ exista carlige speciale care se monteaza pe cadrul atasului intr-un loc anume, costa destul de mult 200-300 Euro originale. Cat despre omologarea lor la RAR, numai de bine, nu cred sa fie, cu toate ca Niprul si Uralul sunt omologate de zeci de ani...

[rockbikecz]

sal,mesterica,uite aici niste poze...sper sa-ti foloseasca la ceva....

[Liviu M]

Si baiatu are remorca. La RAR mi s-a spus ca sa pun nr de inmatriculare de la motor pe ea, nu sa-i fac altul separat.

FELICITARI !! Totusi ;Politia iti da voie sa iei numarul de la moto si sa-l pui (sa inmatriculezi) alt vehicol ? Remorcile se inmatriculeaza separat . Ai o hartie la mana sa poti convinge un politist ca esti in regula ? Nu vreau sa te superi cumva pe mine ; pleci la un drum de placere si nu stii cu ce oameni pretentiosi te intalnesti si in ce incurcaturi poti intra . Inca o data felicitari si bafta . Arata excelent !

[mihai_prd]

Pana mea, asa mi-au zis aia de la RAR. O sa iau niste acte de remorca pe o singur osie, o sa le bat pe undeva si circul "in regula".

[Aleko]

Adica daca fac o trascaleta cu 2 roti de M72 si pun pe ele o tablita de remorca de Dacia m-am scos?

[mihai_prd]

Trascaleta trebuie s-o faci cu o singura roata..sa fie remorca moto.

[karpatenwolf]

de unde cumpar si eu o remorca de asta omologata? oare trebuie inmatriculata?

Pai tu cauti aici remorca si stai la mama remorcilor si ataselor.

 

Lucrez si eu la una ,ii voi pune nr motoretei.

Ptr atase se pot face remorci si pe doua roti.

[Liviu M]

ATENTIE ! Legislatia RAR avea specificata clar in mai multe locuri cerintele necesare pentru remorca de motocicleta . Va sfatuiesc sa cititi si legile legate de remorci , in general , precum si legile Politiei Rutiere legate de vehicole . Eu am facut remorca acum vreo 13 ani , si intai am citit legile ca sa stiu daca ma mai apuc de lucru . Constructia respecta aceste legi legate de greutate , gabarit , lumini , etc . Hartiile se strang intr-un dosar care cuprinde : cuprins , desenul cu cote , date tehnice , calculul de rezistenta , poze , bonuri de materiale . Sudurile trebuie sa fie executate de un sudor pentru suduri de rezistenta , poansonate . Nu vreau sa sperii pe nimeni , dar principala cerinta nu este frumusetea sau greutatea transportata ci este TINUTA DE DRUM . Aceasta caracteristica va face ca intr-o situatie limita sa puteti evita un obstacol in scurt , imediat fara a fi contrabalansat sau mai rau . Ganditi-va ca puneti in miscare 20-30kg la o viteza de croaziera de in jur de 100km/h care dispune de o energie inertiala destul de mare care scapata de sub control (manevra gresita , ruperea elem de tractiune datorata materialului sau dimensiunilor sau oboselii materialului , etc ) poate provoca chiar vatamarea grava a unui pieton de pe marginea drumului , etc. " Mai bine sa va ganditi , decat sa va caiti " . BAFTA !

[Liviu M]

Vad ca nu mai scrie nimeni de cand am pus ultimul mesaj . NU vreau sa sperii pe nimeni , dar este un lucru destul de complicat , iar omologarea pentru vehicole artizanale costa... Am pus poza pentru a se inspira si altii . Remorca are Certificat de Inmatriculare , Revizie Tehnica si Asigurare obligatorie (daca nu credetii va pot pune si pozele actelor) . Nu am vrut eu sa fie asa ; am fost obligat de RAR , Politia Rutiera Dambovita si cei de la Atelierul de ITP . Poate s-or mai fi schimbat legile intre timp ... BAFTA !!!! Va sfatuiesc sa consultati totusi un inginer auto . Sunt multe de spus ... Este vehicolul care trbuie sa se descurce singur cu echilibrul , reactiunile de la franari , amotizarile diferitelor miscari , balansul incarcaturii , etc. , totul pentru a nu dezechilibra vehiculul tractor .

[Estremadura]

Uralurile noi cu atas pot sa traga remorca pe 2 roti (similara cu cea auto) cu carlig de remorcare excentric pentru ca este intre motocicleta si atas, sarcina maxima autorizata 450 kg, fabrica le ofera ca accesorii. In Europa nu exista omologare de tip pentru remorci, toate se omologheaza individual, dar trebuie respectate niste cerinte (au fost detaliate mai sus de Liviu M).

Remorci pentru moto solo se faceau parca prin Olanda, a mai fost acum un an o discutie pe tema asta.

Editat Decembrie 10, 2007 de cios

[Cavaleru]

Vad ca nu mai scrie nimeni de cand am pus ultimul mesaj . NU vreau sa sperii pe nimeni , dar este un lucru destul de complicat , iar omologarea pentru vehicole artizanale costa... Am pus poza pentru a se inspira si altii . Remorca are Certificat de Inmatriculare , Revizie Tehnica si Asigurare obligatorie (daca nu credetii va pot pune si pozele actelor) . Nu am vrut eu sa fie asa ; am fost obligat de RAR , Politia Rutiera Dambovita si cei de la Atelierul de ITP . Poate s-or mai fi schimbat legile intre timp ... BAFTA !!!! Va sfatuiesc sa consultati totusi un inginer auto . Sunt multe de spus ... Este vehicolul care trbuie sa se descurce singur cu echilibrul , reactiunile de la franari , amotizarile diferitelor miscari , balansul incarcaturii , etc. , totul pentru a nu dezechilibra vehiculul tractor .

 

 

salut. poti sa imi spui ce acte ai avut nevoie pentru omologarea remorcii? cat timp ti-a laut confectionarea ei.

 

am gasit pe net un articol care zice asa.

 

Pulling a trailer with a motorcycle

July 19th, 1993 (posted by: sam) · No Comments

 

Motorcycles by design are unable to carry copious amounts of luggage or cargo. Sidecars increase loading capacity and distribution of weight, but there is nothing better than a well manufactured trailer to alternatively load a motorcycle. The main problem with loading the back-seat of a motorcycle is improper weight distribution, wear and tear, and handling problems. With proper technique, design, and loading a trailer can be added to most motorcycles.

 

A quick perusal through most owners manuals will provide the famous words “Vehicle not manufactured for use with a sidecar or trailer” ” use of a sidecar/trailer can/will void warranty”. Obviously the addition of any accessory to a motorcycle must use caution, the manufacturers place these warning for reasons. The selection of a trailer would be an entire article by itself, what we will deal with here is the operation and techniques of trailering.

 

The hitch on the motorcycle should be sturdy (connected at least to four points on the bike). Hitches should not be connected to moving suspension components, swing-arms, shock-absorbers, or drive shafts for the obvious reasons. There should be no movement in the hitch. Hitch height should be at hub-level of the rear wheel. The distance between the rear wheel and the hitch should allow the rear wheel to move up and down unimpeded, but it should not be an excessive distance from the hub.

 

The best designs of trailers use the largest tire height possible and high speed bearings in the wheels. Beware the use of cheap lawn and garden tires on trailers. These types of tires are made soft and compliant so as not to damage lawns and are in no way recommended for highway use.

 

Trailers come in all shapes and sizes. A trailer should contain the following design features. A hitch assembly rated at a significant value higher than the gross vehicle weight of the trailer (total weight of the trailer). The trailer should have an axle width to tongue length of around 1 to 3 approximately. A significantly shorter trailer tongue will not track behind the motorcycle correctly, and a significantly longer trailer tongue will create cornering problems. There should be enough overhang to the rear of the trailer of the cargo area to allow proper loading. However, it should not be so great of overhang as to possibly drag the curb when leaving your favorite gas-stop.

 

A trailer is an alternative method of loading gear. A motorcycle has particular design characteristics that are being modified to allow the operator to carry more gear. As the operator you will have to decide how much is enough. A trailer is not a “blank check” to bring everything. Some simple rules for loading trailers is to take everything you would put on or in the bike and put it in the trailer instead. This is true alternative loading. Of course if you look down at the wide open maw of the emptiness of the trailer and start filling remember; the trailer total weight should be distributed over the axles so that the tongue weight is about 10 - 20 percent of the total weight of the trailer. Figure the total allowance of weight for the bike by looking in your owners manual. Add all the gear weight on the bike including passengers and riders. Don’t forget to add the tongue weight of the trailer. If you are in the positive and not overweight your doing good. If the amounts are over start shedding gear. Motorcycles are very finicky on how much weight they are moving.

 

Remember all of the weight (trailer, motorcycle, rider) is still going to be stopped by those same brakes, and accelerated by the same drive train. Depending on the weight of the trailer you choose to tow, all of the components on the motorcycle are going to wear a lot faster. Brakes and tires may be the most effected component on the motorcycle. Proper loading is going be the most important part of trailering because its going to effect every other part of the handling of the motorcycle.

 

When starting out and stopping a trailer you want to be as straight as possible. The degree of difference at the hitch between the trailer and motorcycle is going to create side forces on the motorcycle as it begins to move. The resistance to moving of the trailer will pull the bike over in the direction the trailer is. For an example if the motorcyclist stops with the trailer “kicked out” to the right the motorcycle will be pulled to the right as it begins to move forward. With the motorcycle and trailer in line the resistance will not effect balance. If the hitch is to high, and is mounted significantly over the level of the hub a lever of force will be created when starting out lightening the front wheel of the motorcycle. The resistance of the trailer creates this effect and steering wobble is usually the result. The effect of the trailer on the bike can be very slight or so severe a hazardous riding condition will result. No matter how well the trailer or bike is setup and designed the trailer will have some of these effects.

 

When stopping a motorcycle trailer combination allow increased room to stop. Only experience will show how much, but the increased weight being stopped of the bike and trailer will require more brake effort over longer distances. When stopping the bike should be kept as upright and straight as possible. The surge of the trailer forward as the bike stops should be directed as straight as possible through the bike. If the bike is leaned over and turning during braking the surge will have a tendency to push the bike over in the opposite direction, or push the rear wheel to the side. This effect can be minimal or severe depending on the amount of braking and the weight of the trailer.

 

If the hitch is set up wrong another problem can occur. On hitches that are above the rear hub of the motorcycle when braking the weight shift normal to stopping lightens the rear wheel. This effect will be exaggerated even more by a high hitch. Some trailer manufacturers attempt to engineer methods that lessen or do away with this effect by the way their trailers are made.

 

Another frightening effect can be the front wheel lightening on braking. Excessively heavy trailers on low slung hitches can lighten the front wheel and create a wobble when slowing. A simplification of the problem would be a five hundred pound trailer with fifty to sixty pounds of tongue weight. Most of the weight of the trailer during braking is being transmitted to the hitch. Depending on the degree of difference between the hitch and hub that weight can transmitted in a downward direction on the hitch increasing tongue weight significantly. The effect would be similar to a five hundred pound giant standing on your hitch while you try to balance and stop.

 

Depending on the weight and design of a trailer in slow speed turns it will tend to pull the bike aside in the direction of the turn. This effect will be dependent on the weight of the trailer and the resistance to rolling. In high-speed (highway turns) the trailer can track on the outside of the turn pulling the bike up-right. This effect is usually minimal but can drastically effect the operation of the motorcycle if the trailer is overloaded.

 

Obviously the motorcycle trailer combination is going to operate easier if it is properly maintained. Most trailer manufacturers have excellent suggestions on tire inflation, bearing care, and care of hitches. The problem usually lays in the operator not doing the recommended service. Tires fail and so do bearings. The operator is the final inspector for safety when a trailer goes out on the road. Most manufacturers recommend at least seasonal maintenance on bearings and side-wall pressure ratings of tires for fully loaded trailers. As part of your pre-ride inspection of your bike include the trailer and inspect every item just like you do on your bike. Include the hitch assembly depending on the type of hitch check for obvious problems and wear. On hitches try and insure proper lubrication and fit to the bike.

 

Safety chains should be included on all trailers. We all have heard the excuses for improper safety chains. Some riders state they would rather have the trailer “break away” in case of accident or massive failure. Some riders think that safety chains are not required on motorcycles. Most states require safety chains or cables. If the trailer “breaks away” where is it going to go and who is it going to hurt. Ultimately the rider is responsible for any damage his vehicle or trailer causes.

 

Safety chains should come in pairs and be attached to the frame of the trailer and motorcycle. Some states allow appropriate cables to substitute for chains, but check your local police for verification. Chains or cables should not drag the ground and should cradle the tongue if the hitch fails. Insure that the chains or cables are long enough to allow the bike to turn.

 

Trailers allow a motorcyclist to include the extra gear desired and not pile the bike high with everything. A trailer may be the way to entice the significant other to come along, lured by the charms of an opulent camp sight. The trailer allows a motorcyclist to bring “real” luggage when checking into a hotel. With proper technique and set up a trailer allows more flexibility for touring/grocery getting. The signs of shock from check out staff at the local grocer are excellent.