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Da da, la ele ma refeream. 

Pt greutatea mentionata mai sus, Asa am transmis celor de la atelier. 

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ce mai zic si altii de transmisie

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?2026-r1150rt-transmission

BMW TRANSMISSION NOTE

A splendid new boxer. But still criticized for shifting. How come? MO has a look at the builder of BMW's gearboxes.

A condition of the contract with Getrag was "No noise when first gear is engaged!"

Tester Guenter Wimme addressed the issue of shifting behavior unequivocally:

"In the old BMW tradition the great weakness remains: the gearbox. Difficult shifting, long shift lever travel, graunchy shifts between first and second, and still the old tale of woe in finding first at stoplights."

The Bavarians had already contacted gearbox builders in Japan, Italy and Austria. But after ongoing testing of the prototype proposals the source will remain where it has been since 1978: at Getrag in Ludwigsburg, or more precisely, at the Getrag subsidiary, ZWN in Neuenstein/Hohenloh.

Understandably, the people at Getrag don't like hearing the reproach that they can't build a decent transmission for the prestigious BMW bike, all the moreso since the 3,000 workers of the factory supply the cream of the international automakers with their gearboxes.

Of course, their biggest single customer is BMW. The complete automotive line, from the 3-series on, is equipped by Getrag, and also the motorcycle line: old Boxers, new Boxers, and K-series. The exception is the F-650 with the Rotax motor. In round numbers, ZWN/Getrag has built about half a million motorcycle transmissions for BMW. Up till 1978, BMW built their own motorcycle transmissions.

Getrag is proud, and rightly so, of their high automotive product-standard, which applies equally to the motorcycles. All the parts are calculated to take the maximum possible stress from fully-loaded machines, difficult mountain passes and maximum torque. This is a reputation to which we can attest, having performed so many long-distance endurance tests on BMW's. Transmissions of the Bavarian motorcycles are still in spotless condition after 100,000 kilometers and can boast tolerances which would be expected from new parts.

Nevertheless, BMW's new boxers don't come close to delivering the same standard of gear-changing that has been set by comparable machines such as Honda's ST 1100. What is the dirty secret here?

Shifting a BMW transmission requires great concentration.

The light turns green, you pull in the clutch and step on the shift lever of our brand-new Boxer. It doesn't snick into first, it makes no "clack"...On the dash the big neutral "0" still shows on the digital gear indicator and first gear just won't go in. The "hard cases" just keep standing on the pedal and let the clutch out slowly; the more delicate riders go back to neutral, let the clutch back out and start the process over.

How do you suppose the BMW automobile developers would react if they were told that the new top-of-the-line 7-series BMW sedans would only go into first gear only 50% of the time? Of course, they would say, "Guys, get your tails right back to the drawing boards!".

 

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Asta ca nu intra in a 1-a nu e nici macar cea mai mare problema la cutiile de 1150 :D

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La R1200RT 2008, adusă din Anglia, se poate regla farul pentru conducerea pe partea dreaptă? 

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La 01.03.2020 la 19:44, Dan Cata a spus:

Asta ca nu intra in a 1-a nu e nici macar cea mai mare problema la cutiile de 1150 :D

 

Ma tenteaza un 1150(R,GS,RT) sau un 1100 S pe post de a doua mobra, buna la toate. O Italia in Weekend, la munca ocazional si eventualele drumuri virajate de weekend cand Busa nu e acasa :))

 

Au ajuns la ~ 3000 euro si sunt tentante rau.

 

La ce trebuie sa ma uit?

 

Multumesc anticiapat.

 

 

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Rahan, am zis vechi, nu antic :))

 

RT-ul si R-ul sunt primele pe lista. Dupa experienta de acum 2 ani cu K12- RS-ul cumparat cu cateva zile inainte de concediu dupa ce a crapat, din nou, domnul Softail, am ramas cu gandul la un boxer de la ei.

 

 

 

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Salut baieti! 

Am primit de curand un S1000RR model 2020 (comandat de anul trecut pe vremea asta :(  ) si vreau sa imi montez o priza USB pentru incarcat telefonul. Stiu ca ar trebui sa existe o mufa de accesorii undeva pe partea dreapta. Stie cineva sub care din carene? Nu vreau sa ma apuc de demontat aiurea.

 

Si...ar mai fi ceva...La modelul 2020 saua pasagerului este extrem de mica (cam cat palma) si destul de tare. Nu intentionez sa ma apuc de retapitat saua pentru ca nu vreau sa stric aspectul motorului insa stiti sa existe ceva huse capitonate sau cu gel care sa se poata monta peste saua originala?

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Acum 14 ore, gabyshor a spus:

Apai la 3k, zice bine Dan :D

 

Am pus si un "~" inainte :))

 

1150 R-ul costa cam 3000 :)

E totusi model 2000-2005.

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Fix aia. Sau sora ei de la militie.

 

Am cautat si gasit doar cu carte service la zi :) Atata timp cat a fost ingrijita, nu sunt probleme.

 

K-ul era din 97, avea aproape 70000 km si reviziile la zi. L-am cumparat si doua zile mai tarziu am plecat in concediu in Romania. 5000 km. 

 

Singura buba a fost un bec, schimbat cand am ajuns acasa. In rest, suspensia grozava, Mai ales pe denivelatul de la noi, ciclistica decenta iar consumul grozav. In 5000 km mi-a consumat un pic peste 1 litru de ulei mineral.

 

ABS-ul fusese servisat la fiecare 2 ani si n-a facut niciodata figuri.

 

Singurul deranj a fost pozitia de strutocamila de la ghidon, cu care nu m-am acomodat :)

 

 

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Sambata am reusit si eu sa schimb aripa fata. Acum aratam a motocicleta, desi designerul cred ca ofteaza lung!😂

Am mai pus si inaltatoare ghidon. Petrecut citeva ore placute, cu o bere, linga trusa de scule!

Cele bune!

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La 21.02.2020 la 21:12, BLACK SPIDER a spus:

The complete automotive line, from the 3-series on, is equipped by Getrag

Care/când?!? Nu de alta dar stiu sigur niste modele >2005 care au cutii manuale ZF... 

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N-as sti sa spun la masini.... Getrag vs ZF

 

CONVERSATION WITH GETRAG/ZWN

Transmission-Questions: What the builders say. MO spoke to Getrag development engineers Klaus Sommer and Eberhard Schaetzle. Both ride their own privately-owned BMWs.

MO:Are the transmissions of the R models similar to those of the K models, broadly speaking?

SOMMER:There exists similarity in concept only. For example the gear ratios, shift mechanism and engagement dogs are different on the K model, and the K model even has a different housing.

MO:Can Getrag-ZWN look back on other motorcycle experience besides BMW?

SOMMER:At Getrag some time ago we manufactured the Yamaha XS 750 shaft drive system, which was designed by Porsche.

MO:Getrag produces these transmissions at considerable expense. Forexample the highest-loaded 5th gearset is finely honed to produce the best possible surface on the flanks of the teeth. The rest of the gears are shaved. Do these transmissions still need to be broken in?

SCHAETZLE:Every fully asssembled transmission goes onto a test stand and is thoroughly tested with hot test-oil. Afterwards the hot oil is extracted and along with it the first wearing-in material.The transmission does not need to be broken in. It can be be fully loaded from the very beginning.

SOMMER:After the first rides, the o-rings in the boxer gearboxes settle in a little. Then the transmission may shift a little easier. This has nothing to do with wearing in. Only the braking effect of the o-rings is slightly lessened. After sufficient operation and with a hot motor a slight ticking noise in neutral can be audible even with an o-ring transmission. This ticking will be louder when the idle synchronization is not meticulously adjusted.

MO:What kind of oil recommendation for the BMW transmission can you give us?

SCHAETZLE:Oil should be seen as an integral part of the transmission. When designing the transmission the load bearing capability of the oil is part of the calculation. We fill the BMW transmissions with SAE 90 GL 5 gear oil manufactured by Fuchs, a brand mainly found as an OEM supplier.

SOMMER:SAE 90-Oil should be used throughout the whole year. It istrue that in winter the shifting will suffer at first from the thick oil, but it should improve during a very short ride. For those to whom this is disturbing, because they make many short trips, for example, can use 75w90 GL 5 in winter as an alternative. In summer it must be changed back to SAE 90 GL 5.

MO:How do you regard oil additives?

SCHAETZLE:Oil additives are always factors which cannot be taken into account when designing and building a transmission. In the best case they don't do any harm. For example, it has not been researched yet how oil additives might react with the new "clean bearings". We therefore rigorously recommend against their use, especially in automotive transmissions. Synchro rings, for example, function only if they can exert some braking effect on the gear wheels. Special extra-slippery additives can result in big damages.

SE pare ma modelele mai  performante au ZF, am vazut articole in care pasionatii fac upgrade......dar sa nu poluam la topicul dedicat moto

 

BMW uses transmissions built by Getrag and ZF, and all E36 (92-98) and E46 (99-06) transmissions have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. As a bonus, the E30 5 speeds also share the same bolt pattern, except rotated 10 degrees. The ratios will appeal to some customers so we'll have a specific adapter for that trans as well.

Although many transmissions will work with these new parts, we narrowed it down to the following three options that seem like the best fit:

5 speed ZF trans (E36 328i and M3, and E46 328i and 330i)

5 speed Getrag 260 trans (available in 6 cylinder E30 cars, longer gearing than the ZF)

6 speed ZF trans (from E46 2003-2006 330i 6 speed cars) 

 

Am inceput sa ma documentez despre BMW deoarece mi-am adus din Germania modelul RT-P

 

an 2003, aprox. 58.000 km, are motorul de 850cc deoarece e de la divizia Kommunale

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Ala e modelul de 850 similar cu 1150, cu servofrana. Gasesti pe net kituri de conversie la doua sei, gasesti si cutii laterale cu capace mari ca sa iti incapa lucruri mai multe cand mergi la drum lung.

Crashbar-ul ala e foarte bun, pe fata, intreaba-ma cum de stiu :D

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Acum 8 ore, Dan Cata a spus:

Ala e modelul de 850 similar cu 1150, cu servofrana. Gasesti pe net kituri de conversie la doua sei, gasesti si cutii laterale cu capace mari ca sa iti incapa lucruri mai multe cand mergi la drum lung.

Crashbar-ul ala e foarte bun, pe fata, intreaba-ma cum de stiu :D

         

       Intr-adevar e cu servo si ABS, deocamdata n.am eroare, cred ca functioneaza.......o sa-mi fac o programare la tine (am nr. de tel......vorba umbla :D )in perioada urmatoare sa arunci o privire. In carte e cu 2 locuri, asa era si in brief....si foarte interesant, cutia de viteze difera putin fata de modelul civil avand treapta 1 mai scurta pentru a putea merge "la pas" cu multimea. Deocamdata o las asa, mai "speciala".

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Hello, 

 

Vin si eu cu o rugaminte la voi, detin un R1200GS din 2005 si as dori sa imi recomandati un service de incredere pe raza a 200km sa zic, eu sunt din Sibiu dar am renuntat la ideea de a duce motorul aici. Tin sa mentionez ca nu este pentru mentenanta anuala, as dori o parere si revizie mai amanuntita a lui. 

 

Multumesc!

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Multumesc :) Da un telefon si poate te pot eu ajuta!

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Salutari

Am tot stat si citit de toate din partea posesorilor de BMW

Acum ma laud si eu

Detin un K1200 S din 2007 in stare prefecta

Si mai nou(de 4 zile)detin un R1250 gs din 2020

Motociclete ca si cei de la bmw nu face nimeni

Din punctul meu de vedere

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Felicitari pt bidivii!

Si de ar ramane tot noi! 

Ori nu trainice ca acum, New Mind Economy, ori... For Consumer 

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Va salut! Ma puteti ajuta cu un manual de service pentru R1200RT. Ideal ar fi pentru modelul 2010-2013, daca nu se gaseste pe nicaieri, macar pentru varianta anterioara 2005-2009. A aparut la un moment dat in mai 2019 pe forum, dar fiind prind transfer.ro a expirat sesiunea demult si nu se mai poate downloada acum. Va multumesc anticipat!

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La al meu K1200S i-am cumparat navigatie cu toate sarmele si cablurile si prinderile necesare.Vreau sa il leg pe mufa pentru conexiuni auxiliare.

In fata bateriei exista o mufa cu capac.Aceea este mufa pentru conexiuni auxiliare?

Nu reusesc sa gasesc niciunde scris concret,sau o poza ceva.

Poate ma puteti ajuta voi.

 

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La 11.03.2020 la 11:56, BLACK SPIDER a spus:

 

Am inceput sa ma documentez despre BMW deoarece mi-am adus din Germania modelul RT-P

 

M-am pricopsit si eu cu un RT-P (deh, stand pe acasa, am timp sa bantui pe net de licitatii),  ceva mai nou, dar nu asa accesorizat ca al tau, macar nu mi-au taiat firele :) arata interesant al tau! 

 

Intrebare, vinde cineva pt. R1200RT 2014-2018 ceva repere gen o sa passager si manerul din spate? 

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